Meat has a bad reputation. Most people think of meat, especially red meat, as dangerously unhealthy. However, meat has unique properties that make it more nutritious, easier to digest, and less likely to irritate your body than vegetables. Does the science behind meat-phobia hold up under the microscope?

TLDR - Yes, meat is healthy - eat it.

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    • jet@hackertalks.comOPM
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      if it was 1% and causing the same ecological devastation it would still be the same problem

      The ecological devastation is coming from mono-cropping.

      Right now meat production is already too destructive.

      How is a cow eating grass, churning the soil, fertilizing the soil - destructive? This is how the soil was created in the first place.

      There’s a lot we can do like changing to more efficient sources such as specific insects, farmed fish, and poultry while avoiding meat sources such as cattle and pigs.

      Why are farmed fish and poultry ok but not ruminants? Ruminants have a super power - they can eat food humans can’t eat, growing on land that can’t raise human crops, and turn that into human usable fat and protein!

      Also lab grown meat could be a real silver bullet for the issue.

      Not really, it’s a highly processed food composed of many things, but a mega-dose of seed oil (which is very not good for health).

      Generally speaking though we need to emphasize a plant based and reduced meat diet for the vast majority of the global population

      Why? People need to be health, meat is a super health food. People need to have a optimal metabolism, carbs and processed carbs and seed oils are antithetical to that. Healthy people eat less food, can eat local food that doesn’t need to be shipped around the world, and don’t need expensive chronic medical care.

      You keep doubling down on the false assumption that you can’t be low carb and plant based or mostly plant based.

      Oh I agree, you absolutely can do plant based keto, and that is much better then SAD (standard australian diet). This entire conversation is a huge WHATABOUTISM - remember the post is about the health benefits of eating meat.

      At this point it’s more of a cult than actually based on truth

      I think you will find the keto / zero carb communities extremely science based - self experiments, empirical validation, actually reading the literature.

      Sidebar I do understand the vast majority of what is in grocery stores in more developed countries is essentially carbs, processed oils, preservatives, artificial food colors and flavoring. I’m not advocating for a diet based on that in the way I think you think I am.

      Any change from the standard diet is a improvement. Our schism is over red meat .My understanding is I made a post about red meat being great, and we are talking about side things because in your estimate the world can’t afford to provide meat for everyone. You have said some negative things about keto but haven’t made your own dietary choices clear. Your advocating for a anti-red meat solution (which might include keto, you left the door open).

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          You think the majority of food we are feeding cows is grass?

          yes. beef cattle graze for most of their lives, before being grain finished.

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              as I said, that’s how most beef cattle are raised. I can’t say about dairy.

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                  Right now i can’t manage the 30 whole minutes to debunk the madness on this sub but I’ll get there. Even then I doubt anyone will change their mind.

                  We mostly care about the health aspects and the tools they represent to improve health. You would find us more receptive if you spent your time showing us the data on better health outcomes (preferably without using epidemiology)

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          You think the majority of food we are feeding cows is grass? Also yes mono crops are bad, we are feeding our livestock from mono crops which we would require drastically less of to feed people a plant based or mostly plant based diet.

          That is the sustainable way to raise ruminants. Factory farms (both animals and crops) are not sustainable, and need to change.

          in particular insects would be about at par with plant based protein sources.

          When discussing plant based protein you NEED to account for bioavailability and liebig’s amino acid barrel. You have to eat a huge volume of food to get protein in the right amounts

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          Once again we’re not talking about hyper specific cases that are incapable of producing enough food for the global population (comically so if everyone switched to a carnivore diet).

          I made a post about the healthiness of meat, you are on a huge WHATABOUTISM crusade. WE are not talking about the same things, because you keep moving the goal posts. I admit right now only 20% of the global food supply is animal based, that is no reason to give up on red meat - the single most valuable and useful food source on the planet.

          Once again we cannot convert our current levels of meat production to a sustainable method short of changing to something like insects or lab grown meat.

          Don’t forget the current mono-cropping is unsustainable and requires huge fossil fuel fertilizer inputs. This population bomb hysteria isn’t productive, and doesn’t move the conversation forward in how to improve human health.

          So is lab grown meat for what it’s worth but I wouldn’t consider its current capability ready for the global market

          Lab grown meat isn’t a panacea, we don’t know how it interacts with humans. If your referring to plant based meat analogs they are terribly unhealthy and won’t work towards human health.

          Simply put a plant based or mostly plant based diet is still the all around winner. For feeding humanity and health outcomes.

          You have not demonstrated the health improvement on plants, if you have read Dr. Ede’s article this post is about you will see why that isn’t likely.

          I highly suggest the book Eating Animals by Johnathan Foer. Its a very honest and direct look at how we produce meat irl.

          Please read the “The Great Plant-Based Con” by Jayne Buxton

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        How is a cow eating grass, churning the soil, fertilizing the soil - destructive? This is how the soil was created in the first place.

        The cow is actually eating corn feed, or at least the grass is being supplemented with corn feed.

        Cows eating only grass can’t feed everyone who wants to eat red meat. The only way for beef to be a staple for billions of humans is through factory farming. It’s just not possible to have sustainable cattle agriculture when our population is this large.

        And as the population grows, other forms of meat will become impossible to sustain as well: chicken, fish, doesn’t matter.

        Some day soon, the only way to eat meat will be to eat bugs.

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          The cow is actually eating corn feed, or at least the grass is being supplemented with corn feed.

          This is not how cows should be fed in a sustainable fashion.

          Cows eating only grass can’t feed everyone who wants to eat red meat. The only way for beef to be a staple for billions of humans is through factory farming. It’s just not possible to have sustainable cattle agriculture when our population is this large.

          Unfortunately we are going to have to figure this out. As the world becomes richer the previously impoverished are going to demand meat.

          Some day soon, the only way to eat meat will be to eat bugs.

          I do love a nice fried cricket

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      Please stop adding content after you sent a message, I didn’t see your update -

      Once again a plant based diet doesn’t infer people will develop diabetes in the same way a carnivore diet does not infer someone will not.

      You ABSOLUTELY will not develop type 2 diabetes eating zero carb.

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          Unfortunately that is not factually correct but it’s good for the mythos.

          Great! Describe the mechanism of action, and show me a case study. Surely there is evidence of to support your ‘factually correct’ position. I’m open to being wrong.