Never tip in the US. Do not listen to wait staff whining. The only reason they cry about it is because they make far more than they ever would on a stable wage. If you don’t pay them they will still receive the wage they agreed to.
Look, restuarants should def be paying wait staff and get rid of tipping, but in some states, those are the only jobs available and they pay as little as like $3.00 an hour without the tips
Minimum wage for servers is significantly lower than regular minimum wage. In theory they are supposed to get paid to make up the difference if the tips don’t cover it.
Yeah, for jobs that are expected to rely on tips federal minimum is $2.13 with the expectation that tips will bring you higher. In theory if wages + tips don’t cover the spread to $7.25 (general minimum wage) the employer is supposed to cover the difference.
Why are you saying “In theory”? and “Supposed to”?
Wouldn’t not making up the difference in these cases be illegal?
What I’m hearing is that if everyone decided not to tip, then servers would(should) still walk away with minimum wage. So servers aren’t incentivised to change the system because sometimes they take away more than minimum?
Except the same is true for other tipping cultures, minimum living wage is garunteed, tips are extra.
Seems like the US has the same outcome in terms of meeting minimum wage but with many complications and without the legal protections for the employee.
I said in theory and supposed to because if it’s happening regularly then either you’re providing terrible service and about to get fired or the restaurant isn’t bringing in enough customers and isn’t going to make it much longer.
So servers aren’t incentivised to change the system because sometimes they take away more than minimum?
It’s been a long time since I worked in a restaurant but when I did it was a mid-high end place and they were definitely making more than minimum wage.
I’m not going to pretend I know what the answer is, but a few people just not tipping here and there isn’t it.
Seems like the US has the same outcome in terms of meeting minimum wage but with many complications and without the legal protections for the employee.
Ideally, yes. But those complications and missing protections really screw things up.
Wage theft is the single largest form of theft in the US. More than everything else combined. Over $60 billion a year. We do have minimum wages and labor laws. The enforcment is just awful because we live in hell.
…no, thats just not true. The tipped minimum wage in the US is like 2.13. Theoretically the employer is supposed to make up the difference if tips dont average to 7.25 an hour but that is often not the case. Not to mention that a lot servers share tips with kitchen and cleaning staff.
Are you a bot or is english a 2nd language? Yes it is the law. Employers in the states regularly break labor laws and nobody does anything about it. So it is only theoretically illegal, since it is almosy never enforced.
That doesnt mean you should stiff the server because their boss sucks. That is insane logic and could cost them their rent. Instead, report businesses that dont pay enough and help lobby to get rid of tips all together.
Or just sit there and be a stingey little cry baby, your move.
Why is your default assumption that wage theft is occurring? If you dont tip the employer will pay min wage that is the law and its regularly enforced. If they dont there are millions of lawyers who will take that open and shut case of wage theft.
You are trying to argue this stupid position of we must tip because wage theft to white knight for waitstaff but they dont care about that, they just want tips because it pays far above min wage or what waitstaff make in other countries.
I didnt misunderstand your point is just dumb. If 7.25 is to low then it needs to be raised. The answer is raising the min wage not forcing customers to tip that is so stupid. But even raising min wage to $15 an hour would still have servers complaining because they make way more than that. Getting rid of tipping would put more pressure on the min wage being raised and benefit people who make 7.25 an hour who arent able to collect tips.
In addition to what @[email protected] has already said… a lot of restaurants also have a tip-out system, wherein the servers have to pay a % of each table’s sales into a shared tip fund to cover bussing, bar staff, the hosts and sometimes kitchen staff. So while I completely agree with the premise, it’s not great to cost your server money when they are often on $2-3/hr.
The last time I was a server in the US we had to tip out 3% of sales to others, but I’m not sure what the industry average is now.
Yeah, they get paid like $3 per hour. They need tips to make a living. I get that it’s a shitty system but that’s how it works. These are the things you need to understand before you travel to other countries and show off your ignorance.
If they need tips to make a living, then their employer isn’t paying a living wage. I don’t see how that’s the customer’s fault.
It’s true that the only person getting hurt by this failed system is the server… and perhaps the reputation of the industry as a whole.
You made something that is normally optional, mandatory - but only in expectation. Add it to the bill or make it a legal requirement if it must be paid.
No, we’ll just shame anyone who refuses to tip (as is their right, apparently) or who isn’t aware of the “US tipping culture” (which is different from the rest of the world’s tipping culture).
I’m not in the US and I’m not mad at the system. I just think the system is massively flawed and encourages people to lay the blame on everyone except those who take advantage of it.
Getting angry at people who have no capacity to fix the problem won’t fix the problem.
Never tip in the US. Do not listen to wait staff whining. The only reason they cry about it is because they make far more than they ever would on a stable wage. If you don’t pay them they will still receive the wage they agreed to.
Look, restuarants should def be paying wait staff and get rid of tipping, but in some states, those are the only jobs available and they pay as little as like $3.00 an hour without the tips
So introduce a minimum wage.
Minimum wage for servers is significantly lower than regular minimum wage. In theory they are supposed to get paid to make up the difference if the tips don’t cover it.
I’m talking about a standardized minimum living wage that applies to all labour.
Is there a different minimum wage depending on what work you do in the US?
Yeah, for jobs that are expected to rely on tips federal minimum is $2.13 with the expectation that tips will bring you higher. In theory if wages + tips don’t cover the spread to $7.25 (general minimum wage) the employer is supposed to cover the difference.
https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/state/minimum-wage/tipped
Why are you saying “In theory”? and “Supposed to”? Wouldn’t not making up the difference in these cases be illegal?
What I’m hearing is that if everyone decided not to tip, then servers would(should) still walk away with minimum wage. So servers aren’t incentivised to change the system because sometimes they take away more than minimum?
Except the same is true for other tipping cultures, minimum living wage is garunteed, tips are extra.
Seems like the US has the same outcome in terms of meeting minimum wage but with many complications and without the legal protections for the employee.
I said in theory and supposed to because if it’s happening regularly then either you’re providing terrible service and about to get fired or the restaurant isn’t bringing in enough customers and isn’t going to make it much longer.
It’s been a long time since I worked in a restaurant but when I did it was a mid-high end place and they were definitely making more than minimum wage.
I’m not going to pretend I know what the answer is, but a few people just not tipping here and there isn’t it.
Ideally, yes. But those complications and missing protections really screw things up.
Wage theft is the single largest form of theft in the US. More than everything else combined. Over $60 billion a year. We do have minimum wages and labor laws. The enforcment is just awful because we live in hell.
not true. In those states they dont get $3 they get min wage
…no, thats just not true. The tipped minimum wage in the US is like 2.13. Theoretically the employer is supposed to make up the difference if tips dont average to 7.25 an hour but that is often not the case. Not to mention that a lot servers share tips with kitchen and cleaning staff.
No not theoretically. Its the law.
Are you a bot or is english a 2nd language? Yes it is the law. Employers in the states regularly break labor laws and nobody does anything about it. So it is only theoretically illegal, since it is almosy never enforced.
That doesnt mean you should stiff the server because their boss sucks. That is insane logic and could cost them their rent. Instead, report businesses that dont pay enough and help lobby to get rid of tips all together.
Or just sit there and be a stingey little cry baby, your move.
Why is your default assumption that wage theft is occurring? If you dont tip the employer will pay min wage that is the law and its regularly enforced. If they dont there are millions of lawyers who will take that open and shut case of wage theft.
You are trying to argue this stupid position of we must tip because wage theft to white knight for waitstaff but they dont care about that, they just want tips because it pays far above min wage or what waitstaff make in other countries.
Yeah you have completely misunderstood my point. If you think 7.25 is a living wage, youre still an asshole
I didnt misunderstand your point is just dumb. If 7.25 is to low then it needs to be raised. The answer is raising the min wage not forcing customers to tip that is so stupid. But even raising min wage to $15 an hour would still have servers complaining because they make way more than that. Getting rid of tipping would put more pressure on the min wage being raised and benefit people who make 7.25 an hour who arent able to collect tips.
In addition to what @[email protected] has already said… a lot of restaurants also have a tip-out system, wherein the servers have to pay a % of each table’s sales into a shared tip fund to cover bussing, bar staff, the hosts and sometimes kitchen staff. So while I completely agree with the premise, it’s not great to cost your server money when they are often on $2-3/hr.
The last time I was a server in the US we had to tip out 3% of sales to others, but I’m not sure what the industry average is now.
Nah, change the bill to 0$ and give them a tip equal to the original cost of the bill.
Then tell them the service was great but the food wasn’t.
Id rather have the restaurant stay open than the server get more money.
Yeah, they get paid like $3 per hour. They need tips to make a living. I get that it’s a shitty system but that’s how it works. These are the things you need to understand before you travel to other countries and show off your ignorance.
If they need tips to make a living, then their employer isn’t paying a living wage. I don’t see how that’s the customer’s fault.
It’s true that the only person getting hurt by this failed system is the server… and perhaps the reputation of the industry as a whole.
You made something that is normally optional, mandatory - but only in expectation. Add it to the bill or make it a legal requirement if it must be paid.
No, we’ll just shame anyone who refuses to tip (as is their right, apparently) or who isn’t aware of the “US tipping culture” (which is different from the rest of the world’s tipping culture).
Exactly. Their employer doesn’t pay them a living wage, and refusing to tip sure as hell won’t fix that. Their employer couldn’t give less of a fuck.
Your mad at the system but taking it out on a server who didn’t do anything to deserve it?
Judging by your reply, it seems like you understand this but don’t care. That just makes you arrogant.
I’m not in the US and I’m not mad at the system. I just think the system is massively flawed and encourages people to lay the blame on everyone except those who take advantage of it.
Getting angry at people who have no capacity to fix the problem won’t fix the problem.