Surely you must understand how incredibly insensitive is to dismiss someone saying they got grabbed/ touched because they didn’t give us the details down to the nitty-gritty.
I’m all for encouraging victims to press charges if they think there’s basis to do so. But we, the public, aren’t owed any more information than what the victim wants to share. After all, we are not a court.
I didn’t dismiss the accusation. But I asked for more information, since it was made publically. And I said that the proper venue for that is reporting it as a crime. Because on the flip side it’s also incredibly damaging to trust everything someone says without some verification. People lie.
You didn’t dismiss the accusation, yet you demanded more information, which again, we are not owed.
It’s also incredibly damaging to trust everything someone says without some verification.
The implication being that’s what I’m arguing? I don’t know you go from “It’s incredibly insensitive to treat sexual assault claims like any other subject and ask victims for details and verification, you should understand how these tactics have historically been used to intimidate and silence women victims of sexual assault and abuse”
To “Believe any and all claims made by supposed victims like some kind of religious dogma”.
That’s quite a leap. If you’re not going for a flimsy reductio ad absurdum, you should know (although I feel you already know) no one in this thread is arguing in favor of believing any and all claims of SA like a proof of faith.
People lie.
People do lie. The implication that women lie about SA is statistically false and has historically been a key tool of the patriarchy in silencing women.
You didn’t dismiss the accusation, yet you demanded more information, which again, we are not owed.
I didn’t ask for more information, I just cautioned others about believing it blindly based on one sentence.
Here is my comment:
“inappropriatary grabbed multiple times in the office, amongst other issues” makes some harsh implications but doesn’t really explain anything. If the recounting is accurate, press charges. I’m sure at this point some law firm would take the case pro bono.
no one in this thread is arguing in favor of believing any and all claims of SA like a proof of faith.
Maybe not anymore but that was defintely the case during the height of #metoo movement. Depp v. Heard case really highlighted that sometimes accusers are the abusers and trusting blindly can hurt just as much as not trusting at all.
If someone decides to make a public accusation, they should not be surprised that someone asks for more than their word for it. And if they don’t want to answer those questions the proper venue is reporting a crime and not talking about it publically.
Surely you must understand how incredibly insensitive is to dismiss someone saying they got grabbed/ touched because they didn’t give us the details down to the nitty-gritty.
I’m all for encouraging victims to press charges if they think there’s basis to do so. But we, the public, aren’t owed any more information than what the victim wants to share. After all, we are not a court.
I didn’t dismiss the accusation. But I asked for more information, since it was made publically. And I said that the proper venue for that is reporting it as a crime. Because on the flip side it’s also incredibly damaging to trust everything someone says without some verification. People lie.
You didn’t dismiss the accusation, yet you demanded more information, which again, we are not owed.
The implication being that’s what I’m arguing? I don’t know you go from “It’s incredibly insensitive to treat sexual assault claims like any other subject and ask victims for details and verification, you should understand how these tactics have historically been used to intimidate and silence women victims of sexual assault and abuse”
To “Believe any and all claims made by supposed victims like some kind of religious dogma”.
That’s quite a leap. If you’re not going for a flimsy reductio ad absurdum, you should know (although I feel you already know) no one in this thread is arguing in favor of believing any and all claims of SA like a proof of faith.
People do lie. The implication that women lie about SA is statistically false and has historically been a key tool of the patriarchy in silencing women.
I didn’t ask for more information, I just cautioned others about believing it blindly based on one sentence.
Here is my comment:
Maybe not anymore but that was defintely the case during the height of #metoo movement. Depp v. Heard case really highlighted that sometimes accusers are the abusers and trusting blindly can hurt just as much as not trusting at all.
If someone decides to make a public accusation, they should not be surprised that someone asks for more than their word for it. And if they don’t want to answer those questions the proper venue is reporting a crime and not talking about it publically.