Well… You know except for the fact that he started one of the first abolitionist movements in the United States after realizing slavery was morally reprehensible and indefensible later in life especially after the revolutionary war.
No one is denying that Franklin owned slaves. That is a historical fact, and I never claimed otherwise.
The problem is that your position is not defensible because it requires pretending the rest of his life never happened. Franklin freed the people he enslaved, became president of the Pennsylvania Abolition Society, and petitioned Congress to take action against slavery. Those are documented historical facts.
If your argument is that anyone who ever participated in an immoral institution can never later become a genuine reformer, then you’ve adopted an absurd standard that would erase countless people who recognized their wrongdoing and spent the rest of their lives trying to correct it.
You keep repeating that Franklin benefited from slavery as though it somehow refutes the fact that he became one of America’s earliest and most influential abolitionists. It doesn’t. Those facts are not contradictory. They are precisely what makes his transformation historically significant.
You accuse others of ignoring history while selectively discarding every fact that undermines your conclusion. That is not an argument. It is just historical cherry-picking.
I acknowledged absolutely everything in my comment jackass. I acknowledge that Ben Franklin own slaves. I acknowledged that it is morally reprehensible for anyone to own slaves at any point in time.
NOPE! You first just said he started the abolitionist movement, trying to defend your shitty slave trading hero. Like that fixed everything he ever did.
He owned slaves during a time when slavery was legal and socially accepted. Later in life, he recognized how morally wrong it was and worked to correct that mistake. That is what redemption is.
You’re fixating on the fact that he once owned slaves as though it’s the only fact that matters. As I said before, that’s why you’re being an idiot.
And once again, I don’t have to acknowledge established facts that weren’t even the subject of the discussion.
You’re the one who brought it up after I quoted him, as if that alone completely discredits the quote.
Here’s a comparison. Did you know that Barack Obama authorized more drone strikes than his predecessors and oversaw military operations that killed thousands of people in the Middle East? Did you know his administration also deported record numbers of people? He even received the Nobel Peace Prize despite those actions. Does that automatically make him a bad person? Obama is widely regarded as one of the most consequential presidents of the modern era, yet his record includes decisions that cost many lives. Do we therefore dismiss everything he ever said or did?
Oh, whataboutism is fun isn’t it? Mmmmm, let’s just bring up Obama, a person not even close to Slave owning Franky. You could have said Trump, then I might have agreed with you. He probably did have young slaves with his bestie Epstein.
You literally did ignore it until now, lol, that was why I was repeating it.
" You accuse others of ignoring history while selectively discarding every fact that undermines your conclusion."
There was no accusation, it was all you ignoring it, there were no others. You actually did it.
Just say he had slaves then we could have moved on from there.
You are not understanding, since you didn’t first acknowledge and immediately tried to defend him, we won’t have your hissy fit you are throwing. Your hero sucks. In fact, you would probably suck him off and he would bitch slap you for using too much teeth.
Ben Franklin is one of the founding fathers of America and one of the most interesting people in history. I don’t have to have a good opinion of him or haven’t be my hero to acknowledge that.
You just wanted to be bad because he owns slaves. That’s not how the world works. That’s not how history works and that’s how people work my
You’re clearly the depraved idiot, fantasizing about meeting your founding father, taking him in an old timey peep booth. Then slobbing all over his racist slave owning nob.
Well… You know except for the fact that he started one of the first abolitionist movements in the United States after realizing slavery was morally reprehensible and indefensible later in life especially after the revolutionary war.
But who cares about history and facts.
You can try to spin it how ever you want, he still owned slaves. But, you just ignored that fact.
“But who cares about history and facts.”
That fucker literally benefitted from the slave trade.
No one is denying that Franklin owned slaves. That is a historical fact, and I never claimed otherwise.
The problem is that your position is not defensible because it requires pretending the rest of his life never happened. Franklin freed the people he enslaved, became president of the Pennsylvania Abolition Society, and petitioned Congress to take action against slavery. Those are documented historical facts.
If your argument is that anyone who ever participated in an immoral institution can never later become a genuine reformer, then you’ve adopted an absurd standard that would erase countless people who recognized their wrongdoing and spent the rest of their lives trying to correct it.
You keep repeating that Franklin benefited from slavery as though it somehow refutes the fact that he became one of America’s earliest and most influential abolitionists. It doesn’t. Those facts are not contradictory. They are precisely what makes his transformation historically significant.
You accuse others of ignoring history while selectively discarding every fact that undermines your conclusion. That is not an argument. It is just historical cherry-picking.
But he did something we know think is wrong! So he is evil!
This is live on easy mode. Imagine living like that.
The point was, he had them and he totally ignored the comment and didn’t acknowledge it. Just like some Fox news guest would.
I acknowledged absolutely everything in my comment jackass. I acknowledge that Ben Franklin own slaves. I acknowledged that it is morally reprehensible for anyone to own slaves at any point in time.
What else would you like me to acknowledge sir?
NOPE! You first just said he started the abolitionist movement, trying to defend your shitty slave trading hero. Like that fixed everything he ever did.
He owned slaves during a time when slavery was legal and socially accepted. Later in life, he recognized how morally wrong it was and worked to correct that mistake. That is what redemption is.
You’re fixating on the fact that he once owned slaves as though it’s the only fact that matters. As I said before, that’s why you’re being an idiot.
And once again, I don’t have to acknowledge established facts that weren’t even the subject of the discussion.
You’re the one who brought it up after I quoted him, as if that alone completely discredits the quote.
Here’s a comparison. Did you know that Barack Obama authorized more drone strikes than his predecessors and oversaw military operations that killed thousands of people in the Middle East? Did you know his administration also deported record numbers of people? He even received the Nobel Peace Prize despite those actions. Does that automatically make him a bad person? Obama is widely regarded as one of the most consequential presidents of the modern era, yet his record includes decisions that cost many lives. Do we therefore dismiss everything he ever said or did?
Oh, whataboutism is fun isn’t it? Mmmmm, let’s just bring up Obama, a person not even close to Slave owning Franky. You could have said Trump, then I might have agreed with you. He probably did have young slaves with his bestie Epstein.
You literally did ignore it until now, lol, that was why I was repeating it.
There was no accusation, it was all you ignoring it, there were no others. You actually did it. Just say he had slaves then we could have moved on from there.
You’re not reading or understanding anything that I’m saying to you.
The fact that Ben Franklin owns slaves is objective verifiable fact.
There is no need for me to acknowledge that since I’m not contesting that point in any way.
Moreover, I did acknowledge it in my next comment.
Just take your bitch slap and move on.
In fact, I’d be willing to bet you didn’t even know he was an abolitionist to start with.
You are not understanding, since you didn’t first acknowledge and immediately tried to defend him, we won’t have your hissy fit you are throwing. Your hero sucks. In fact, you would probably suck him off and he would bitch slap you for using too much teeth.
You’re clearly an idiot.
Ben Franklin is one of the founding fathers of America and one of the most interesting people in history. I don’t have to have a good opinion of him or haven’t be my hero to acknowledge that.
You just wanted to be bad because he owns slaves. That’s not how the world works. That’s not how history works and that’s how people work my
You’re clearly the depraved idiot, fantasizing about meeting your founding father, taking him in an old timey peep booth. Then slobbing all over his racist slave owning nob.
No man, that’s literally your fantasy. You’re the only one talking about his penis.