• UnderpantsWeevil
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    21 hours ago

    It’s not socialism

    Bro, it’s socialism.

    Some of it is national socialism, so maybe don’t get too enthusiastic about how the Brits segregate out their health care services or the Germans treat unemployed immigrants or the French handle non-native speakers trying to form a union.

    But all of this has socialist economic organizing at its foundation.

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      20 hours ago

      It’s not actually though. you’re confusing nordic welfare states for socialism, there are even variants of socialism like market socialism with none of these.

      Socialism is strictly about worker owned means of production.

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        18 hours ago

        you’re confusing nordic welfare states for socialism

        Nordic states reorganized themselves from feudal agrarian military economies into industrial social welfare economies over the course of the late 19th and 20th centuries. Their party politics and bureaucratic reorganization was explicitly informed by socialist theories and economic models devised during that time.

        Socialism is strictly about worker owned means of production.

        Strong unions, state owned industries, and Democratic governance gives working Scandenavians direct say over and profit from their local economies

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          10 hours ago

          It being inspired by socialism doesn’t change the fact that the workers don’t own the means of production there and it is therefore not socialism. Them having more say because they have unions is not the same.

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            4 hours ago

            workers don’t own the means of production

            Workers control the means of production through the democratic state

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              4 hours ago

              they don’t though, they regulate it and apply some pressure, but these are still privately held, socialism is always in contrast to private ownership.

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                2 hours ago

                socialism is always in contrast to private ownership

                The Nordic Model is public ownership of high value industry (most notably, the O&G industry). They also have universal healthcare and free education, which come as a byproduct of state owned and operated medical centers and schools. And strong union membership puts a public leash on private enterprises at the level of direct worker action.