You want them to calm down, when you first came in, intentionally or not, like the most arrogant prick.
If you dont understand poverty, dont talk about it
$4K is based in my reality. Ive been there. To start, my truck rental has been $200 bucks each time with gas and other fees, so youre numbers are not in reality. Hows that?
This guy gets it. I once had to move 6 years in a row, all completely out of my hands (landlord sold the property, wanted it for their newly married daughter, wanted to turn it into an Air B&B, etc.). It was a serious financial hit every time, killing whatever savings I had for the year.
I still always keep the latest calculations in my head for what it would take to move, compared to my savings, just in case I get a call from my landlord that he’s not renewing the lease because he’s selling the property, and the new owners want to turn it into a law office or something (happened to me).
I used to have panic attacks, like one time my car battery died, and I couldnt immediately afford to fix it, Id spiral out, “imma be homeless” because if I cant get to work, Im gonna get fired, then I cant pay my bills, and Im end up on the street again. Full blown panic attacks because of a $200 surprise car fee.
WTF? I’m plenty calm, you just don’t have a clue what you are talking about.
It depends on where you live, but $4000 is unrealistic nearly everywhere. The last time I moved in NYC, it was over $7000, and that was 8 years ago. I am also very familiar with rents in Orlando. A modest $1800 a month rent would cost $1800x3(security deposit/ first/ last), and then pet deposits, application fees, moving expenses, etc., so at least $5400+, and probably another $1000 -1500 on top of that. If your credit isn’t great, you may even have to pay a double security deposit (a common scam), so add on another $1800. Those numbers are common in large metropolitan areas, where MOST people live.
All of those extra fees are not only plausible, but likely. You ain’t getting away with having a cat without an extra $500 non-refundable fee, per cat. Last time, we paid for two cats, even though we had five. We knew they’d all hide under the bed when the landlord visited, and he’d never figure out how many we really had. And again, find my post on the Application Fee Scam. I lost hundreds of dollars to that before I stopped working with Property Managers, and only dealt directly with landlords.
At $4000, the place would have to be less than $1000 per month. That might only get you a spare room in someone’s house, in most places. No more than a studio anywhere else, and probably not a good one.
You are again calculating a deposit as a non-refundable fee rather than… a deposit. Your numbers are off by a few thousand because of this.
Okay, so, New York City. Let’s look up the price of renting a 15’ Uhaul in Manhattan. Should be expensive, right? Hmm, it’s only $30 + $2.50 a mile if you rented one today. I mean, you could spring for a 16’ Penske truck for $50, but they won’t let me link to the quote.
So I don’t know what kind of premium moving service you used or what kind of damage you did to your previous rentals that made you keep losing deposits, but typically you get those back. You’re counting the first month’s rent as a huge fee when in reality you are saving $300 by switching to that as opposed to continuing to pay where you’re at.
Rents go up when leases renew so this isn’t some unforseen natural disaster. You aren’t paying for two rentals at the same time either because you’re switching when your lease is up.
Typically same-city moves don’t have different utility servicers so any deposits you have with them are either transferable or comparable. The whole move washes out nearly even, aside from literally moving your shit and the fee on a background check for the new place.
Dude, you are acting like the moving truck is the primary expense. It’s not. I rent trucks OFTEN in my job (multiple times a month), I know exactly what the expenses are. It would cost me at least $200, and that’s with a commercial account that is $40 a day, plus insurance ($30), and .17 a mile, plus gas ($75). And don’t go through any tolls, that’s a $16 service charge, before the toll. Not the biggest expense, but $200 is real money to many.
You are also assuming that you will get your security deposit back. No landlord wants to return the security deposit, and most of the time I’ve had to fight for it, and even then I usually get less than the total. A couple of times I got nothing, and the state allowed it. I did no damage at all (we treat every rental like it’s ours, we aren’t pigs), and yet somehow I get charged for all the normal maintenance like painting, carpets, HVAC, etc.
And even if you do get it back, it’s well over a month later, longer, if you dispute it, or have to chase it. That money is not available when you are negotiating for your new apartment, and no landlord wants to hear that you’ll give it to him when you get it. He knows your last landlord is going to try to stiff you, because he’s going to do the same thing when you move out. The best I was ever able to negotiate was to break up the security deposit into thirds, and pay a third on top of my new rent for the next three months. So now my rent is 33% higher for a while.
And many areas have multiple utility companies. Depending on where I’d move in my town, it is very possible that I’d have to get a new electric company, and almost certainly a new water company (very localized, mostly just the county). I’m lucky that I’ve never had to pay deposits for utilities, despite their occasional threats.
Not everybody has access to easy credit, so if they don’t have the cash in hand, they don’t have the money, period.
Your flippant attitude is enormously offensive. You have no idea how many people are on the edge of homelessness every day, for YEARS. You can’t seem to understand that things like moving costs are onerous to many people, and it doesn’t just “wash out nearly even,” for them. Even a $100 moving expense can require enormous sacrifice to cover.
You could use some Critical Thinking Skills, and Empathy. You’re are seriously short on both.
You just can’t help a good appeal to authority, can you? I could just as easily claim to be the owner of a moving company with 40 years of industry experience. That I know all the costs of moving down to the price of wiper blades on a moving van. You see how that means nothing?
I will concede that there may be road tolls or other hyper-specific circumstances for certain localities. Though, like your personal anecdotes, they aren’t representative of the norm. NYC is one of the most unique places on Earth and is a poor representation of what “most people” go through other than trying to make the argument that a lot of people live there.
I don’t know what else to say other than if you paid $7000 to move in NYC you were bamboozled. That’s more than what it costs to move shipping container all the way from the west coast to NYC.
I’m not going to bother replying to the rest of it because what I said previously still stands. A crooked landlord trying to steal a deposit is a whole other circumstantial argument.
Yeah, when someone doesn’t agree, and offers credentials as proof of knowledge, just blow it off as a hoax, like MAGA. Or worse, mock my perfectly reasonable, and accurate numbers, based on actual real world experience, just because they don’t agree with speculative numbers you pulled out of your dumb ass, you dumbass.
My apartment in NYC was $2000 per month when I moved in. Security Deposit/First/Last is $6000 right away. Is it so hard to believe that there would be another $1000 in moving expenses? Especially when you add in $150 application fee, $200 pet fee, etc.
And on top of all that, something I forgot about in my first post - until last year, you could also expect to pay a Broker Fee, which was one month’s rent, to the agent who found the apartment for you. That made it $8000 just to start, before moving expenses. I tried doing it without a Broker Fee, but you only see the shittiest apartments that way. Luckily, my landlord allowed me to break up my security deposit over a few months.
Today, that apartment is $2500, so Security/First/Last is $7500 - to start. $10,000, with a broker fee.
And NYC is NOT unique. I have a home in Orlando, too, and that same apartment would be at least $1800 there, so we’re still well over $5000 just to start talking. They don’t have Broker Fees here, so they abuse the application fee egregiously. You can expect to get turned down several times before you get approved, just because they’d rather collect application fees. There absolutely no laws restricting it.
Your understanding of rental expenses seems so naive that I have to wonder if you have you ever actually rented an apartment before?
Whoa dude, calm your ass down. I’ve moved plenty and I fully understand the poverty trap the post was attempting to highlight.
What I was saying was $4000 is a ridiculous number not based on reality. Most of those deposits also pay for themselves anyway.
You want them to calm down, when you first came in, intentionally or not, like the most arrogant prick.
If you dont understand poverty, dont talk about it
$4K is based in my reality. Ive been there. To start, my truck rental has been $200 bucks each time with gas and other fees, so youre numbers are not in reality. Hows that?
This guy gets it. I once had to move 6 years in a row, all completely out of my hands (landlord sold the property, wanted it for their newly married daughter, wanted to turn it into an Air B&B, etc.). It was a serious financial hit every time, killing whatever savings I had for the year.
I still always keep the latest calculations in my head for what it would take to move, compared to my savings, just in case I get a call from my landlord that he’s not renewing the lease because he’s selling the property, and the new owners want to turn it into a law office or something (happened to me).
I used to have panic attacks, like one time my car battery died, and I couldnt immediately afford to fix it, Id spiral out, “imma be homeless” because if I cant get to work, Im gonna get fired, then I cant pay my bills, and Im end up on the street again. Full blown panic attacks because of a $200 surprise car fee.
poverty fucks your brain
“Just dip into your emergency fund, you loser.” - The Let Them Eat Cake Crowd
WTF? I’m plenty calm, you just don’t have a clue what you are talking about.
It depends on where you live, but $4000 is unrealistic nearly everywhere. The last time I moved in NYC, it was over $7000, and that was 8 years ago. I am also very familiar with rents in Orlando. A modest $1800 a month rent would cost $1800x3(security deposit/ first/ last), and then pet deposits, application fees, moving expenses, etc., so at least $5400+, and probably another $1000 -1500 on top of that. If your credit isn’t great, you may even have to pay a double security deposit (a common scam), so add on another $1800. Those numbers are common in large metropolitan areas, where MOST people live.
All of those extra fees are not only plausible, but likely. You ain’t getting away with having a cat without an extra $500 non-refundable fee, per cat. Last time, we paid for two cats, even though we had five. We knew they’d all hide under the bed when the landlord visited, and he’d never figure out how many we really had. And again, find my post on the Application Fee Scam. I lost hundreds of dollars to that before I stopped working with Property Managers, and only dealt directly with landlords.
At $4000, the place would have to be less than $1000 per month. That might only get you a spare room in someone’s house, in most places. No more than a studio anywhere else, and probably not a good one.
You are again calculating a deposit as a non-refundable fee rather than… a deposit. Your numbers are off by a few thousand because of this.
Okay, so, New York City. Let’s look up the price of renting a 15’ Uhaul in Manhattan. Should be expensive, right? Hmm, it’s only $30 + $2.50 a mile if you rented one today. I mean, you could spring for a 16’ Penske truck for $50, but they won’t let me link to the quote.
So I don’t know what kind of premium moving service you used or what kind of damage you did to your previous rentals that made you keep losing deposits, but typically you get those back. You’re counting the first month’s rent as a huge fee when in reality you are saving $300 by switching to that as opposed to continuing to pay where you’re at.
Rents go up when leases renew so this isn’t some unforseen natural disaster. You aren’t paying for two rentals at the same time either because you’re switching when your lease is up.
Typically same-city moves don’t have different utility servicers so any deposits you have with them are either transferable or comparable. The whole move washes out nearly even, aside from literally moving your shit and the fee on a background check for the new place.
Dude, you are acting like the moving truck is the primary expense. It’s not. I rent trucks OFTEN in my job (multiple times a month), I know exactly what the expenses are. It would cost me at least $200, and that’s with a commercial account that is $40 a day, plus insurance ($30), and .17 a mile, plus gas ($75). And don’t go through any tolls, that’s a $16 service charge, before the toll. Not the biggest expense, but $200 is real money to many.
You are also assuming that you will get your security deposit back. No landlord wants to return the security deposit, and most of the time I’ve had to fight for it, and even then I usually get less than the total. A couple of times I got nothing, and the state allowed it. I did no damage at all (we treat every rental like it’s ours, we aren’t pigs), and yet somehow I get charged for all the normal maintenance like painting, carpets, HVAC, etc.
And even if you do get it back, it’s well over a month later, longer, if you dispute it, or have to chase it. That money is not available when you are negotiating for your new apartment, and no landlord wants to hear that you’ll give it to him when you get it. He knows your last landlord is going to try to stiff you, because he’s going to do the same thing when you move out. The best I was ever able to negotiate was to break up the security deposit into thirds, and pay a third on top of my new rent for the next three months. So now my rent is 33% higher for a while.
And many areas have multiple utility companies. Depending on where I’d move in my town, it is very possible that I’d have to get a new electric company, and almost certainly a new water company (very localized, mostly just the county). I’m lucky that I’ve never had to pay deposits for utilities, despite their occasional threats.
Not everybody has access to easy credit, so if they don’t have the cash in hand, they don’t have the money, period.
Your flippant attitude is enormously offensive. You have no idea how many people are on the edge of homelessness every day, for YEARS. You can’t seem to understand that things like moving costs are onerous to many people, and it doesn’t just “wash out nearly even,” for them. Even a $100 moving expense can require enormous sacrifice to cover.
You could use some Critical Thinking Skills, and Empathy. You’re are seriously short on both.
You just can’t help a good appeal to authority, can you? I could just as easily claim to be the owner of a moving company with 40 years of industry experience. That I know all the costs of moving down to the price of wiper blades on a moving van. You see how that means nothing?
I will concede that there may be road tolls or other hyper-specific circumstances for certain localities. Though, like your personal anecdotes, they aren’t representative of the norm. NYC is one of the most unique places on Earth and is a poor representation of what “most people” go through other than trying to make the argument that a lot of people live there.
I don’t know what else to say other than if you paid $7000 to move in NYC you were bamboozled. That’s more than what it costs to move shipping container all the way from the west coast to NYC.
I’m not going to bother replying to the rest of it because what I said previously still stands. A crooked landlord trying to steal a deposit is a whole other circumstantial argument.
Yeah, when someone doesn’t agree, and offers credentials as proof of knowledge, just blow it off as a hoax, like MAGA. Or worse, mock my perfectly reasonable, and accurate numbers, based on actual real world experience, just because they don’t agree with speculative numbers you pulled out of your dumb ass, you dumbass.
My apartment in NYC was $2000 per month when I moved in. Security Deposit/First/Last is $6000 right away. Is it so hard to believe that there would be another $1000 in moving expenses? Especially when you add in $150 application fee, $200 pet fee, etc.
And on top of all that, something I forgot about in my first post - until last year, you could also expect to pay a Broker Fee, which was one month’s rent, to the agent who found the apartment for you. That made it $8000 just to start, before moving expenses. I tried doing it without a Broker Fee, but you only see the shittiest apartments that way. Luckily, my landlord allowed me to break up my security deposit over a few months.
Today, that apartment is $2500, so Security/First/Last is $7500 - to start. $10,000, with a broker fee.
And NYC is NOT unique. I have a home in Orlando, too, and that same apartment would be at least $1800 there, so we’re still well over $5000 just to start talking. They don’t have Broker Fees here, so they abuse the application fee egregiously. You can expect to get turned down several times before you get approved, just because they’d rather collect application fees. There absolutely no laws restricting it.
Your understanding of rental expenses seems so naive that I have to wonder if you have you ever actually rented an apartment before?