Inflation-adjusted home prices in China have fallen below where they started two decades ago, and the fiscal fallout is hitting local governments even harder than developers.
All of these points are making the assumption that the system we currently have is just hunky dorey. Millions die of poverty and treatable illnesses in the US every year. Isn’t that dangerous? We are all subject to the whims of a tiny minority of sadistic billionaire warmongers and business owners who have captured our news and social media and all of the branches of government. Isn’t that dangerous? You’re just going to accept that we live in a country in which there is ever growing homelessness and preventable death because you’re afraid that a people’s revolution might not turn out as expected?
That’s not at all what I said. I’m not scared. In fact, I wish I could be the one to lead it. Because I know that I would respect the risks. I can’t say that I fully understand them, but I have something more than many people from the past… I have knowledge of their results. I know that I could be careful, that I could pour my life blood into such a project and ensure its successful completion at the expense of every fiber in my body. I’d educate myself, I’d hire experts, I’d build telemetry and run tests… I’d have a damn good plan, because it would take me years in the making. I have confidence there.
My concern is that I’m actually just a nobody. So, however such a revolution should take place, I point back to what I actually said…
That’s cool but you’re coming from a very individualistic perspective. Any kind of revolution would be futile without the support of a mass labor movement that encourages workers to stand up for themselves and organize, something which needs to be the left’s main objective before we can even think of revolution. A future disciplined vanguard party will serve the role you are talking about. But without a mass movement, any revolution would be crushed by the overwhelming power of the capitalist police state.
A future disciplined vanguard party will serve the role you are talking about.
Would the correct illustration be,
Leftist party leads workers in organizing
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Leftist party grows stronger at negotiating with workers being an organized expression of solidarity behind them
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The capitalist police state resists. I assume the police state is capitalistically empowered and enforced, but not capitalist in itself. Meaning it won’t sanction the leftist party, but it will use taxpayer funds investigate, legislate, harass, and sell propaganda which advanced its agenda.
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Worker solidarity survives a bureaucracy that, in its default state, is procedurally guiding you toward anyconditionwhere you have less autonomy. Forms a disciplined vanguard in cooperation with the leftto further resist the state.
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Leftist party demands legislative change that would actually threaten the status quo, e.g., demanding an endto the Iran war, or demanding Buckley v. Valeo be amended toset spending limits on candidates, getting rid of dark money, etc.
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The capitalist state refuses, rejecting the authority ofany such party. Declares the vanguard a terroristic entity, investigates its members, threatens to sanction the leftist party if efforts continue. The argument is, you ought pass you legislation the old fashion way.
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A voter revolution, by electing someone from the Leftist party to pardon the vanguard members and issue legislation to protect worker solidarity.
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If the vote fails, rough… if it doesn’t, the pardons pass but the legislation gets locked up inoneof the best mannerisms of preventing change the system has: the system itself. The president tries forcing it through with tactics like Executive Orders, but that just fuels Rightist propaganda that the socialists are taking over. They’ll get the Trump defects too, claiming this is what Trump tried for fascism.
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The right forms their own vanguard, largely with internal help from the military, FBI, and other entities. Their goal isto “preserve democracy” or whatever. To them, the Leftist party is threatening communism — something they believe leads to dictatorship.
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Both sides believe they’re doing the right thing, adamantly believing the other is wrong. The risk of civil war is high. The president is seen with the responsibility of preventing civil war, but also knows this is his one shot to enact change. They probably shuffles into a lame duck position.
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The economy remains functional, which helps stave off a civil war. The president has accepted the pardons and recovery of the left vanguard as a win. To include having prevented executive action against the leftist party. The president is credited withhaving avoided a civil war for this long, though mostly bynot stirring the pot much. Legislation remains locked up, but that’s considered the least of our worries by election timeand we get them a second term.
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The second term is mostly a repeat of how the firstone ended. Civil war concerns have died down quite a bit, though both vanguards still exist. Someon the Left have grown complacent, some frustrated with the feeling that nothing has actually changed.
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By the endof the second term, the Right has promoted some figure as The Man toend your woes by ensuring we go back to how things were. They’ll speak of traditional values, simpler times, andforeign threats that we should stay unified against. They’ll get elected.
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The three branches of government are suddenly working fluidly again and President The Man finds some novel way to fuck up the economy. We now have our traditional political problems, but with opposing vanguard infrastructure and knowledge at the ready.
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Individual states begin organizing support forone another, forging relationships to protect themselves with the aid of whichever vanguard their politics are aligned. There are three main factions to consider now: the left, the right, and the weakening federal government.
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The Left eventually do something to piss the Right off. Probably withholding taxes, moving their economic assets / supply lines outof red states entirely, or maybe it’ll be water wars bythen… maybe the threat of secession.
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The President, aligned with the Right, try enforcing their will in the situation. The Left use their vanguard to prevent such measures. We’re perhaps one shot fired away fromfullon civil war.
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The second American Civil War occurs, because why wouldn’t it in conditions like that?
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God knows who wins. The rest of the world will move onby then. Western allies will hope we don’t turn outlike Russia. Foreign adversaries will be hoping we destroy ourselves in this process. Who knows who intervenes and how…
Not sure what this AI slop is lol, but this is definitely not what I’m talking about. I recommend reading “How Marxism Works” by Chris Harman if you want to learn more to get a better idea of what I’m talking about. You can read it for free at this link:
https://www.marxists.org/archive/harman/1979/marxism/
You’re missing the whole part about the revolution. It’s not a revolution brought about by voting or legislation. And it’s also not about left vs. right. It’s about the majority of people, the working class (farmers, factory workers, delivery drivers, teachers, healthcare workers, anyone who works for a wage and has a boss over them but also including small business owners in a lot of cases), engaging in a mass labor movement against the ruling class (bosses, large business owners, billionaires) in order to provide enough support to the vanguard party (see below) to take power and protect the movement/overwhelm the most likely violent reaction of the minority, wealthy, militaristic ruling class. This is all to achieve a government for the people by the people (to eradicate things like homelessness, mass job layoffs, and exorbitant home, food, and healthcare prices). We want a govt without the influence of billionaires, mega corporations, and the bourgeois political parties (like the Democrats & the Republicans).
Vanguard party (defined by ProleWiki):
The vanguard party, also called the vanguard, is the political party that is the most able to organize the proletariat and other popular classes (such as the peasantry) into a revolutionary party, and thus bring socialism to their country. The vanguard plays an important role in instilling revolutionary class consciousness amongst the proletariat and plays a critical role in the dictatorship of the proletariat in consolidating ties with the proletariat of other nations and maintaining the alliance of the workers and peasants. The vanguard is not a name a party gives themselves or gets bestowed upon them. A party becomes the vanguard when it proves to be the most capable at organizing the proletariat and achieving results. This also means the status of the vanguard can be lost if the party suddenly stops achieving results, or another party achieves even better results towards socialism.
Awe shucks, I actually used my brain for that one. It was just a fun story.
I misunderstood what vanguard party is.
I just have a hard time believing such a party will organically manifest. Who else is going to organize the working class but a party, and why would any of our parties organize the working class if it meant aiding the creation of a vanguard party? Our parties are too self-preservationalist.
Not to mention, there’s so much propaganda that not everyone buys into socialism. There will be resistance within the working class, and therefore less organization.
Our current bourgeois parties would certainly not have any part in organizing the working class or creating a vanguard party. It is up to the people to organize/be organized in a mass movement outside of a political party that is controlled by and beholden to the rich guys in power. There are third parties in existence now (like the Green Party, Peace & Freedom Party in California, and DSA, if it ever decouples from the Democratic Party) that can help organize workers into a mass movement to support a future vanguard party and worker revolution. But it could also be a mass movement akin to what we saw in Minneapolis, people on the ground from a bunch of different groups (and people from no groups) coming together to oppose ICE. This is all usually spurred on by a sheer drop in living conditions, like we are witnessing right now, and which will only be exacerbated by the growing AI data center trend, which will destabilize water supplies, cause huge electrical service disruptions, and which may cause pollution on a scale we have not experienced in our lifetimes.
All of these points are making the assumption that the system we currently have is just hunky dorey. Millions die of poverty and treatable illnesses in the US every year. Isn’t that dangerous? We are all subject to the whims of a tiny minority of sadistic billionaire warmongers and business owners who have captured our news and social media and all of the branches of government. Isn’t that dangerous? You’re just going to accept that we live in a country in which there is ever growing homelessness and preventable death because you’re afraid that a people’s revolution might not turn out as expected?
That’s not at all what I said. I’m not scared. In fact, I wish I could be the one to lead it. Because I know that I would respect the risks. I can’t say that I fully understand them, but I have something more than many people from the past… I have knowledge of their results. I know that I could be careful, that I could pour my life blood into such a project and ensure its successful completion at the expense of every fiber in my body. I’d educate myself, I’d hire experts, I’d build telemetry and run tests… I’d have a damn good plan, because it would take me years in the making. I have confidence there.
My concern is that I’m actually just a nobody. So, however such a revolution should take place, I point back to what I actually said…
That’s cool but you’re coming from a very individualistic perspective. Any kind of revolution would be futile without the support of a mass labor movement that encourages workers to stand up for themselves and organize, something which needs to be the left’s main objective before we can even think of revolution. A future disciplined vanguard party will serve the role you are talking about. But without a mass movement, any revolution would be crushed by the overwhelming power of the capitalist police state.
Would the correct illustration be,
Leftist party leads workers in organizing ↓ Leftist party grows stronger at negotiating with workers being an organized expression of solidarity behind them ↓ The capitalist police state resists. I assume the police state is capitalistically empowered and enforced, but not capitalist in itself. Meaning it won’t sanction the leftist party, but it will use taxpayer funds investigate, legislate, harass, and sell propaganda which advanced its agenda. ↓ Worker solidarity survives a bureaucracy that, in its default state, is procedurally guiding you toward any condition where you have less autonomy. Forms a disciplined vanguard in cooperation with the left to further resist the state. ↓ Leftist party demands legislative change that would actually threaten the status quo, e.g., demanding an end to the Iran war, or demanding Buckley v. Valeo be amended to set spending limits on candidates, getting rid of dark money, etc. ↓ The capitalist state refuses, rejecting the authority of any such party. Declares the vanguard a terroristic entity, investigates its members, threatens to sanction the leftist party if efforts continue. The argument is, you ought pass you legislation the old fashion way. ↓ A voter revolution, by electing someone from the Leftist party to pardon the vanguard members and issue legislation to protect worker solidarity. ↓ If the vote fails, rough… if it doesn’t, the pardons pass but the legislation gets locked up in one of the best mannerisms of preventing change the system has: the system itself. The president tries forcing it through with tactics like Executive Orders, but that just fuels Rightist propaganda that the socialists are taking over. They’ll get the Trump defects too, claiming this is what Trump tried for fascism. ↓ The right forms their own vanguard, largely with internal help from the military, FBI, and other entities. Their goal is to “preserve democracy” or whatever. To them, the Leftist party is threatening communism — something they believe leads to dictatorship. ↓ Both sides believe they’re doing the right thing, adamantly believing the other is wrong. The risk of civil war is high. The president is seen with the responsibility of preventing civil war, but also knows this is his one shot to enact change. They probably shuffles into a lame duck position. ↓ The economy remains functional, which helps stave off a civil war. The president has accepted the pardons and recovery of the left vanguard as a win. To include having prevented executive action against the leftist party. The president is credited with having avoided a civil war for this long, though mostly by not stirring the pot much. Legislation remains locked up, but that’s considered the least of our worries by election time and we get them a second term. ↓ The second term is mostly a repeat of how the first one ended. Civil war concerns have died down quite a bit, though both vanguards still exist. Some on the Left have grown complacent, some frustrated with the feeling that nothing has actually changed. ↓ By the end of the second term, the Right has promoted some figure as The Man to end your woes by ensuring we go back to how things were. They’ll speak of traditional values, simpler times, and foreign threats that we should stay unified against. They’ll get elected. ↓ The three branches of government are suddenly working fluidly again and President The Man finds some novel way to fuck up the economy. We now have our traditional political problems, but with opposing vanguard infrastructure and knowledge at the ready. ↓ Individual states begin organizing support for one another, forging relationships to protect themselves with the aid of whichever vanguard their politics are aligned. There are three main factions to consider now: the left, the right, and the weakening federal government. ↓ The Left eventually do something to piss the Right off. Probably withholding taxes, moving their economic assets / supply lines out of red states entirely, or maybe it’ll be water wars by then… maybe the threat of secession. ↓ The President, aligned with the Right, try enforcing their will in the situation. The Left use their vanguard to prevent such measures. We’re perhaps one shot fired away from full on civil war. ↓ The second American Civil War occurs, because why wouldn’t it in conditions like that? ↓ God knows who wins. The rest of the world will move on by then. Western allies will hope we don’t turn out like Russia. Foreign adversaries will be hoping we destroy ourselves in this process. Who knows who intervenes and how…Not sure what this AI slop is lol, but this is definitely not what I’m talking about. I recommend reading “How Marxism Works” by Chris Harman if you want to learn more to get a better idea of what I’m talking about. You can read it for free at this link: https://www.marxists.org/archive/harman/1979/marxism/
You’re missing the whole part about the revolution. It’s not a revolution brought about by voting or legislation. And it’s also not about left vs. right. It’s about the majority of people, the working class (farmers, factory workers, delivery drivers, teachers, healthcare workers, anyone who works for a wage and has a boss over them but also including small business owners in a lot of cases), engaging in a mass labor movement against the ruling class (bosses, large business owners, billionaires) in order to provide enough support to the vanguard party (see below) to take power and protect the movement/overwhelm the most likely violent reaction of the minority, wealthy, militaristic ruling class. This is all to achieve a government for the people by the people (to eradicate things like homelessness, mass job layoffs, and exorbitant home, food, and healthcare prices). We want a govt without the influence of billionaires, mega corporations, and the bourgeois political parties (like the Democrats & the Republicans).
Vanguard party (defined by ProleWiki):
Awe shucks, I actually used my brain for that one. It was just a fun story.
I misunderstood what vanguard party is.
I just have a hard time believing such a party will organically manifest. Who else is going to organize the working class but a party, and why would any of our parties organize the working class if it meant aiding the creation of a vanguard party? Our parties are too self-preservationalist.
Not to mention, there’s so much propaganda that not everyone buys into socialism. There will be resistance within the working class, and therefore less organization.
Our current bourgeois parties would certainly not have any part in organizing the working class or creating a vanguard party. It is up to the people to organize/be organized in a mass movement outside of a political party that is controlled by and beholden to the rich guys in power. There are third parties in existence now (like the Green Party, Peace & Freedom Party in California, and DSA, if it ever decouples from the Democratic Party) that can help organize workers into a mass movement to support a future vanguard party and worker revolution. But it could also be a mass movement akin to what we saw in Minneapolis, people on the ground from a bunch of different groups (and people from no groups) coming together to oppose ICE. This is all usually spurred on by a sheer drop in living conditions, like we are witnessing right now, and which will only be exacerbated by the growing AI data center trend, which will destabilize water supplies, cause huge electrical service disruptions, and which may cause pollution on a scale we have not experienced in our lifetimes.