Deep dives aside you have done nothing to discredit any sources I provided besides vague assurance you know it is all fake. Like you have uncovered a giant conspiracy instead of the more mundane reality of human rights violations which is typical in every country on the planet.
Your kill the messenger approach is just pathetic. Here is the thing, the messenger can be untrustworthy but still tell the truth. This also ties into a bigger picture of hypocrisy. Simply put a hypocrite isn’t necessarily wrong just because they don’t practice what they preach. This is an advance concept you are probably not ready for.
You spend so much time on single mosque story it is kind of mind-boggling. China is known for shutting down and altering a larger number of mosques. This isn’t up for debate and honestly you are coming off as someone who is delusional to ignore this fact.
CIA you say, once again it is far more mundane. Most of the evidence coming out of China is gathered by human rights organizations. I find it funny you think the CIA is running around planting all this evidence to make China look bad. Not that the CIA couldn’t do it, but they really are busy running around murdering people and securing more wealth for the oligarchy.
I keep giving you zingers because you deserve them. You act like a desperate campist trying to find evidence to support your conspirator views. Not that conspiracies aren’t a thing, they definitely are. It is just you haven’t found one in this particular area. This is an issue I find myself falling into because of the vast conspiracies I am aware of. Everything begins to look like a conspiracy even when it isn’t.
I am not wrong about you being driven by ideology. I find it amazing you would deny this while being clearly driven by an ideology. You even admit your indoctrination into your cult of like minded genocide deniers. Why a leftist would look up to China or Russia is beyond me and shows a complete lack of discernment. My respect level instantly drops when I realize someone is a simp.
There is this whole world of propaganda you ignore and that is eastern propaganda. China regularly lies and Russia quite literally never tells the truth. You think the whole world is one sided, but that is because you are not exposed to constant propaganda from the other side. You are not wrong though about the theater. There is definitely a show western propaganda has put on and a lot of it is demonstratebly wrong.
Back to your denial of being driven by ideology. The first part of recognizing bias is looking at yourself. You have indicated your bias to me multiple times now. Here is how bad it is. You went looking for evidence China has its billionaires under control and you found some state propaganda from several years ago that supports your position. Here is the problem, China has produced the most billionaires for the third year in a row.
I can see you have a long journey ahead deprogramming yourself if you care to. Perhaps you will be happy lapping up eastern propaganda as you used to lap up western. To each his own.
Deep dives aside you have done nothing to discredit any sources I provided besides vague assurance you know it is all fake.
Aside from the thing I’ve done I’ve done nothing. Got it.
Your kill the messenger approach is just pathetic. Here is the thing, the messenger can be untrustworthy but still tell the truth.
I don’t think you know what that phrase means. I don’t dislike the messenger because of the message. I distrust the message because of the messenger, which is perfectly valid.
If the messenger is untrustworthy then why should I trust them?? Maybe they’re telling the truth, but they have to go the extra mile to make me trust them. Also why are they the only one? Why is almost every one of the muslim majority nations disbelieving the CIA when it comes to that genocide, but they all believe that there is a genocide in Palestine? Well, all of them except Uyghur advocacy groups, who support pissrael[1] apparently.
My distrust of the messenger comes from how they have acted throughout history. But even if we ignore that the CIA never once, afaik in it’s entire history, was with the side fighting for human rights, but always sided with the oppressors, then there still is the issue that the CIA is not an impartial party in this. They are funding the sufi terrorists. That terrorist network that operated in Xinjiang grew out of the US supported mujaheddin, which grew into the US supported al-qaeda and spread like a malignant tumor all over WACA since. They are deeply embedded in muslim terrorist networks, starting back in the 70s. Their assets are getting imprisoned, their effort getting thwarted, this is like taking whatever Russia is saying about what’s happening in east Ukraine at face value. They have a vested interest in making up or puffing up stories of abuse which is why whatever they saying should be faced with even more intense scrutiny to sort the wheat from the chaff.
You spend so much time on single mosque story it is kind of mind-boggling.
That’s what fact-checking is like, and why the gish-gallopping and constant goalshifting is so effective. The devil is in the details as they say. Also I’m never 100% sure what the claim is, all-out genocide, “cultural” genocide, severe human rights violations? Are the mosques razed, altered, renovated what’s the actual position? It’s never really clear.
China is known for shutting down and altering a larger number of mosques.
see that’s what I mean, the paper that I was talking about, the one you linked, asserted that China is “razing […] mosques”, citing a paper where that mosque was under the section “demolished mosques”, but now we’re downgrading to “shutting down and altering”? This blase approach to details is mindboggling when we’re talking about allegations of genocide by an adversarial nation. Imagine if people were talking about pissrael demolishing mosques but it just turns out they are giving them a new facade with hebrew lettering instead of arabic. It would instantly disqualify them (correctly imo) but here we just play fast and loose with the details. Razing centuries old mosques and altering the facade of newly built mosques is all the same after all…
This isn’t up for debate and honestly you are coming off as someone who is delusional to ignore this fact.
I’ll decide what I believe and what I consider to be up for debate myself. I get that you just believe the western media because you’re that far gone in your ideology, but I think we need to look at falsifiable claims and prove them instead of whatever this is. Also your claim that this is a settled debate is not true at all. Basically no one outside of the western world believes this is happening.
Honestly after seeing pictures used to insinuate a mosque has been razed only to find out that it’s actually very much still standing I don’t believe anything coming out of… cursory glance at the sources again the CIA? this is just goofy now come on
Also you know how I got the mosque wrong and spend so much time confusedly looking at the Kashgar Id Kah mosque? Well the most I could find that was alleged was the removal of a plaque at the gate. Well:
The imam said that after repair work was carried out, the plaque was repositioned on an outer wall of the main prayer hall inside the building.
The plaque, which is 2.7 meters long and 1.3 meters wide, was made and hung over the entrance to the mosque in 1982, but the characters and designs on it faded and were damaged due to exposure to the sun and wind.
The imam added: “In 2017, the plaque was repaired together with other facilities at the mosque. It was moved to its current position and a large canopy was put up to prevent the plaque being exposed to the weather. This work is actually very easy to verify.”
I leave it to you to fact-check it if you want. So I don’t expect much from that ft’s articles allegations as well. Also I’ve been very open about the fact that I would only consider post-2023 major happenings as I consider anything before that pretty much settled and don’t have the time to revisit it all.
Most of the evidence coming out of China is gathered by human rights organizations.
backed and financed by the CIA. Do you think that organisations like radio free asia operate independently from the CIA? It’s just a front for the CIA.
You even admit your indoctrination into your cult of like minded genocide deniers. Why a leftist would look up to China or Russia is beyond me and shows a complete lack of discernment.
My self-indoctrination by looking at the allegations in details and coming to my own conclusions? As if you haven’t been indoctrinated to deny the genocide of the white farmers in South Africa (a position I would agree with, there is no white genocide in SA). Also your assertion that I “look up to China or Russia” is again you just thinking you know what’s going when you clearly don’t and are wrong. I don’t “look up” to any nation. But I believe that some nations are way more evil than others.
I find it funny you think the CIA is running around planting all this evidence to make China look bad
What evidence ? No, what I believe is that they have a bunch of uyghur people who, for various reasons, chose the US over the PRC. Now, they know that the financial support they receive in the countries they live in is contingent on them being useful to the propaganda effort else they get dropped. See e.g. Guan Heng[2]. So they take a story like the Keriye Id Kah mosque’s gatehouse getting demolished and puff it up as if the entire mosque was destroyed. This is already a known phenomenon see e.g. Yeonmi Park for a particularly egregious example.
I can see you have a long journey ahead deprogramming yourself if you care to.
Yeah same to you, yours is somewhat longer though
Perhaps you will be happy lapping up eastern propaganda as you used to lap up western.
the gall to think that I am just “lapping up propaganda” instead of fact-checking, when it was fact-checking that got me where I am is just utter projection. This will also likely be my last message in this chain. I think I’ve shown what I intended to show, whether you’re willing to actually look or just dismiss it all with a sneer is of course up to you.
Deep dives aside you have done nothing to discredit any sources I provided besides vague assurance you know it is all fake. Like you have uncovered a giant conspiracy instead of the more mundane reality of human rights violations which is typical in every country on the planet.
Your kill the messenger approach is just pathetic. Here is the thing, the messenger can be untrustworthy but still tell the truth. This also ties into a bigger picture of hypocrisy. Simply put a hypocrite isn’t necessarily wrong just because they don’t practice what they preach. This is an advance concept you are probably not ready for.
You spend so much time on single mosque story it is kind of mind-boggling. China is known for shutting down and altering a larger number of mosques. This isn’t up for debate and honestly you are coming off as someone who is delusional to ignore this fact.
https://ig.ft.com/china-mosques/
CIA you say, once again it is far more mundane. Most of the evidence coming out of China is gathered by human rights organizations. I find it funny you think the CIA is running around planting all this evidence to make China look bad. Not that the CIA couldn’t do it, but they really are busy running around murdering people and securing more wealth for the oligarchy.
I keep giving you zingers because you deserve them. You act like a desperate campist trying to find evidence to support your conspirator views. Not that conspiracies aren’t a thing, they definitely are. It is just you haven’t found one in this particular area. This is an issue I find myself falling into because of the vast conspiracies I am aware of. Everything begins to look like a conspiracy even when it isn’t.
I am not wrong about you being driven by ideology. I find it amazing you would deny this while being clearly driven by an ideology. You even admit your indoctrination into your cult of like minded genocide deniers. Why a leftist would look up to China or Russia is beyond me and shows a complete lack of discernment. My respect level instantly drops when I realize someone is a simp.
There is this whole world of propaganda you ignore and that is eastern propaganda. China regularly lies and Russia quite literally never tells the truth. You think the whole world is one sided, but that is because you are not exposed to constant propaganda from the other side. You are not wrong though about the theater. There is definitely a show western propaganda has put on and a lot of it is demonstratebly wrong.
Back to your denial of being driven by ideology. The first part of recognizing bias is looking at yourself. You have indicated your bias to me multiple times now. Here is how bad it is. You went looking for evidence China has its billionaires under control and you found some state propaganda from several years ago that supports your position. Here is the problem, China has produced the most billionaires for the third year in a row.
I can see you have a long journey ahead deprogramming yourself if you care to. Perhaps you will be happy lapping up eastern propaganda as you used to lap up western. To each his own.
Aside from the thing I’ve done I’ve done nothing. Got it.
I don’t think you know what that phrase means. I don’t dislike the messenger because of the message. I distrust the message because of the messenger, which is perfectly valid. If the messenger is untrustworthy then why should I trust them?? Maybe they’re telling the truth, but they have to go the extra mile to make me trust them. Also why are they the only one? Why is almost every one of the muslim majority nations disbelieving the CIA when it comes to that genocide, but they all believe that there is a genocide in Palestine? Well, all of them except Uyghur advocacy groups, who support pissrael[1] apparently.
My distrust of the messenger comes from how they have acted throughout history. But even if we ignore that the CIA never once, afaik in it’s entire history, was with the side fighting for human rights, but always sided with the oppressors, then there still is the issue that the CIA is not an impartial party in this. They are funding the sufi terrorists. That terrorist network that operated in Xinjiang grew out of the US supported mujaheddin, which grew into the US supported al-qaeda and spread like a malignant tumor all over WACA since. They are deeply embedded in muslim terrorist networks, starting back in the 70s. Their assets are getting imprisoned, their effort getting thwarted, this is like taking whatever Russia is saying about what’s happening in east Ukraine at face value. They have a vested interest in making up or puffing up stories of abuse which is why whatever they saying should be faced with even more intense scrutiny to sort the wheat from the chaff.
That’s what fact-checking is like, and why the gish-gallopping and constant goalshifting is so effective. The devil is in the details as they say. Also I’m never 100% sure what the claim is, all-out genocide, “cultural” genocide, severe human rights violations? Are the mosques razed, altered, renovated what’s the actual position? It’s never really clear.
see that’s what I mean, the paper that I was talking about, the one you linked, asserted that China is “razing […] mosques”, citing a paper where that mosque was under the section “demolished mosques”, but now we’re downgrading to “shutting down and altering”? This blase approach to details is mindboggling when we’re talking about allegations of genocide by an adversarial nation. Imagine if people were talking about pissrael demolishing mosques but it just turns out they are giving them a new facade with hebrew lettering instead of arabic. It would instantly disqualify them (correctly imo) but here we just play fast and loose with the details. Razing centuries old mosques and altering the facade of newly built mosques is all the same after all…
I’ll decide what I believe and what I consider to be up for debate myself. I get that you just believe the western media because you’re that far gone in your ideology, but I think we need to look at falsifiable claims and prove them instead of whatever this is. Also your claim that this is a settled debate is not true at all. Basically no one outside of the western world believes this is happening.
Honestly after seeing pictures used to insinuate a mosque has been razed only to find out that it’s actually very much still standing I don’t believe anything coming out of… cursory glance at the sources again the CIA? this is just goofy now come on
Also you know how I got the mosque wrong and spend so much time confusedly looking at the Kashgar Id Kah mosque? Well the most I could find that was alleged was the removal of a plaque at the gate. Well:
https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202011/17/WS5fb30a8aa31024ad0ba9477a_3.html
I leave it to you to fact-check it if you want. So I don’t expect much from that ft’s articles allegations as well. Also I’ve been very open about the fact that I would only consider post-2023 major happenings as I consider anything before that pretty much settled and don’t have the time to revisit it all.
backed and financed by the CIA. Do you think that organisations like radio free asia operate independently from the CIA? It’s just a front for the CIA.
My self-indoctrination by looking at the allegations in details and coming to my own conclusions? As if you haven’t been indoctrinated to deny the genocide of the white farmers in South Africa
(a position I would agree with, there is no white genocide in SA). Also your assertion that I “look up to China or Russia” is again you just thinking you know what’s going when you clearly don’t and are wrong. I don’t “look up” to any nation. But I believe that some nations are way more evil than others.
What evidence
? No, what I believe is that they have a bunch of uyghur people who, for various reasons, chose the US over the PRC. Now, they know that the financial support they receive in the countries they live in is contingent on them being useful to the propaganda effort else they get dropped. See e.g. Guan Heng[2]. So they take a story like the Keriye Id Kah mosque’s gatehouse getting demolished and puff it up as if the entire mosque was destroyed. This is already a known phenomenon see e.g. Yeonmi Park for a particularly egregious example.
Yeah same to you, yours is somewhat longer though
the gall to think that I am just “lapping up propaganda” instead of fact-checking, when it was fact-checking that got me where I am is just utter projection. This will also likely be my last message in this chain. I think I’ve shown what I intended to show, whether you’re willing to actually look or just dismiss it all with a sneer is of course up to you.
https://www.firstpost.com/opinion/why-uyghur-groups-have-contradictory-stances-on-israel-hamas-war-13813376.html ↩︎
https://www.npr.org/2025/12/17/g-s1-102229/china-xinjiang-uyghurs-us-deportation ↩︎