As Putin's brutal invasion of Ukraine continues, we look at the failures of the Western left to grasp what is going on. WATCH NEXT:THIS explains why Russia s...
He uses some famous examples of American leftist intellectuals (to some extent) siding with Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. Unfortunately, it is a thing.
It seems we are talking across each other. In Europe the US Democratic party is not really considered left. It has a left wing, AOC and such, which also happened to want to lessen support for Ukraine, but when Europeans talk about leftists what we usually mean is the farther left.
The point here is: The left, not some slightly more leftish conservatives but actual left-wing, are a small minority in many cases. In the US they are a fringe movement inside the not-as-far-right-as-republicans democratic party, in many EU countries they are often a small party overshadowed by nowadays very centric social democrats. And inside that already small faction there are probably even a handful of tankies.
And then there are usually quite big and rising right-wing populist parties paid by the Kreml (and some singular not-Russian-but-still-oligarchs donors… possible overlap in some cases included).
Trying -not for the first time in the last year- to push storylines equating a handful of ideologically problematic people that are a minority inside a left minority with big right-wing movements proven to be financed by Russia is one big piece “both sides” narrative and nothing more than propaganda…
The point here is that there exists a world outside the USA. In Europe, both far right and far left parties have taken money from Russia, and oppose helping Ukraine (especially militarily).
So your “argument” against itn being a just a narrative is linking the narrative again.
No… although that text tells the lie you want to believe, the German AfD (proven connections to Russia, proven financing through dubious source leading back to Russia, openly parroting Kremlin narratives, sending members to Russia or to the occupied areas in Ukraine to push Russian propaganda) for example is not the same as Germany’s Die Linke (not even the quarter size (party and voters), completely transparent financing, so fragmented and at odds with each other that they can barely agree on an anything with a majority (the actual reason they barely get enough votes to stay relevant)).
“The right is paid by Russia so the left also is, because it has to be this way as I only have two arguments in total and ‘both sides’ is one of them” might work in your head, but not in reality when one side has very transparent financing and doesn’t get money from Russia and the other side is the right-wing.
Yes, I have the power to end his entire career in this community. He should be polite to everyone, not just me, but I am also included with everyone. That being said, what is all this bullshit about “his own country”? People don’t magically know how their own country works, let alone other countries. Also I don’t even know which country is his country and I don’t give a damn. He apparently doesn’t know what country I’m from either.
Says the person clearly confusing either tankies or liberals (or both? lol) for leftists.
People on the actual left A. never fell for Putin who has clearly been a dictator in the making since he got the job, and B. ideologically oppose all and any states, and their leaders, so suggesting that, of all groups, leftists are the ones who somehow bought in to Putin is the most clueless and wilfully ignorant take.
Being a mod doesn’t somehow magically make you correct nor well informed.
He uses some famous examples of American leftist intellectuals (to some extent) siding with Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. Unfortunately, it is a thing.
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https://www.dsausa.org/statements/on-russias-invasion-of-ukraine/
Democratic Socialists of America left enough for you? Demanding the US leave Ukraine and Eastern Europe for Russia to genocide.
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It seems we are talking across each other. In Europe the US Democratic party is not really considered left. It has a left wing, AOC and such, which also happened to want to lessen support for Ukraine, but when Europeans talk about leftists what we usually mean is the farther left.
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That’s good to hear.
The point here is: The left, not some slightly more leftish conservatives but actual left-wing, are a small minority in many cases. In the US they are a fringe movement inside the not-as-far-right-as-republicans democratic party, in many EU countries they are often a small party overshadowed by nowadays very centric social democrats. And inside that already small faction there are probably even a handful of tankies.
And then there are usually quite big and rising right-wing populist parties paid by the Kreml (and some singular not-Russian-but-still-oligarchs donors… possible overlap in some cases included).
Trying -not for the first time in the last year- to push storylines equating a handful of ideologically problematic people that are a minority inside a left minority with big right-wing movements proven to be financed by Russia is one big piece “both sides” narrative and nothing more than propaganda…
The point here is that there exists a world outside the USA. In Europe, both far right and far left parties have taken money from Russia, and oppose helping Ukraine (especially militarily).
So your “argument” against itn being a just a narrative is linking the narrative again.
No… although that text tells the lie you want to believe, the German AfD (proven connections to Russia, proven financing through dubious source leading back to Russia, openly parroting Kremlin narratives, sending members to Russia or to the occupied areas in Ukraine to push Russian propaganda) for example is not the same as Germany’s Die Linke (not even the quarter size (party and voters), completely transparent financing, so fragmented and at odds with each other that they can barely agree on an anything with a majority (the actual reason they barely get enough votes to stay relevant)).
“The right is paid by Russia so the left also is, because it has to be this way as I only have two arguments in total and ‘both sides’ is one of them” might work in your head, but not in reality when one side has very transparent financing and doesn’t get money from Russia and the other side is the right-wing.
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You have somehow managed to conflate being a pacifist with thinking that it’s okay for Russia to invade sovereign nations.
You are a bit confused but that’s OK
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OK now you are really confused. Please note I’m the moderator lol
So now that’s a thinly veiled threat on top of telling him how his own country works?
Yes, I have the power to end his entire career in this community. He should be polite to everyone, not just me, but I am also included with everyone. That being said, what is all this bullshit about “his own country”? People don’t magically know how their own country works, let alone other countries. Also I don’t even know which country is his country and I don’t give a damn. He apparently doesn’t know what country I’m from either.
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Says the person clearly confusing either tankies or liberals (or both? lol) for leftists.
People on the actual left A. never fell for Putin who has clearly been a dictator in the making since he got the job, and B. ideologically oppose all and any states, and their leaders, so suggesting that, of all groups, leftists are the ones who somehow bought in to Putin is the most clueless and wilfully ignorant take.
Being a mod doesn’t somehow magically make you correct nor well informed.
Oh sorry, the “actual” left. That solves everything, thanks
Yeah, but a tiny minority does not constitute “the left”. It is blatantly misleading.