People staying in a country illegally harms people. It harms the person who misses out on a job because of them. It harms the economy by them not paying taxes and getting paid below minimum wage and/or in cash. It harms services that are used by an extra person who shouldn’t be there.
You don’t actually care about this, you just care about licking trumps boots clean.
You know how everyone knows this? There is a very simple fix for all of this. Put it on the employers. Make it a crime to hire people without authorization to work here.
But, this is never done because those people, the people taking advantage of undocumented immigrants, are also the same people supporting trump.
You know why businesses aren’t getting caught for it? Because of people like you who think “no one is illegal” and don’t want illegal immigrants to lose their jobs and be deported.
Well that’s all bullshit and not how an economy works sooooo… Yeah.
Oh they’re not getting paid enough but someone wants their job. They also pay taxes. If it’s harmful to the economy then they should not be paid below minimum wage in cash - that’s not the person’s fault that has the job, that’s the fault of the employer.
I’m all for dignified work and good wages. Acting like individuals just magically don’t participate in a local economy because they’re underpaid immigrants is silly.
They’re getting paid illegal rates because they’re illegally in the country and are hardly going to risk deportation to dob their employer in. If they didn’t work for illegally low rates, the employer would have to pay a citizen the minimum wage.
If they didn’t work for illegally low rates, the employer would have to pay a citizen the minimum wage.
Well, I promise they’d work for at least minimum wage (which in and of itself is not enough) if the employer paid them that. You’re acting like it’s the victim’s fault here when they’re being taken advantage of by a corrupt system.
That’s such a tiny view of the world. These people have endured great hardship and are doing jobs that are back breaking but necessary (a lot of them are picking crops, raising livestock and more than raising that meat they’re working in slaughterhouses too).
Yet you think because they didn’t jump through the absurd hoops and frankly absolutely broken immigration system we have that they don’t deserve basic human dignity and rights?
I promise you nobody is coming to “steal” a job, and really can jobs even be stolen? What does that mean, that someone qualified got a job somewhere and you think they don’t deserve it for some reason you can’t articulate? I suppose the reason you’d say is that they “didn’t come here legally,” even if their choice was between survival with illegal immigration to try to make a better life for their family or enduring violence and poverty. I suspect most of us would choose the former if it were an option and we were that desperate too.
I should note here that I think nationalism and borders in general are kind of bullshit. So, to me, the very fucking made up out of thin air laws around it are kind of nonsense. Hence why I think the whole concept of “illegal” immigration is madness. That’s just my opinion though. Nonetheless, even if that view may be on the more extreme end it should be very easy to agree with the fact that our immigration system and the laws around it are very very broken.
Even then we are seeing folks here legally thrown into concentration camps. Some USA citizens suffered the same fate just for their skin color. People being deported to places they never have set foot in because they had the audacity to try to come to the USA for a better life.
Plus that’s putting aside the whole fact that white people showed up and committed a genocide against the natives to even bring the USA into existence in its current state. I don’t think it’s really morally right to complain about immigration when your whole country is founded on dudes showing up on boats from across the ocean and extreme violence.
It’s not a “tiny world view”. Borders and immigration rules exist for a reason. Not understanding the effects of unchecked immigration is the “tiny world view”
I would be more upset you’re comparing someone here illegally with someone assaulting my mother. How the hell does your head work so that comparison makes sense to you?
People staying in a country illegally harms people. It harms the person who misses out on a job because of them. It harms the economy by them not paying taxes and getting paid below minimum wage and/or in cash. It harms services that are used by an extra person who shouldn’t be there.
Get the fuck out of here, fascist scum.
You don’t actually care about this, you just care about licking trumps boots clean.
You know how everyone knows this? There is a very simple fix for all of this. Put it on the employers. Make it a crime to hire people without authorization to work here.
But, this is never done because those people, the people taking advantage of undocumented immigrants, are also the same people supporting trump.
It is illegal already……
You know why businesses aren’t getting caught for it? Because of people like you who think “no one is illegal” and don’t want illegal immigrants to lose their jobs and be deported.
Okay, liar.
Well that’s all bullshit and not how an economy works sooooo… Yeah.
Oh they’re not getting paid enough but someone wants their job. They also pay taxes. If it’s harmful to the economy then they should not be paid below minimum wage in cash - that’s not the person’s fault that has the job, that’s the fault of the employer.
I’m all for dignified work and good wages. Acting like individuals just magically don’t participate in a local economy because they’re underpaid immigrants is silly.
They’re getting paid illegal rates because they’re illegally in the country and are hardly going to risk deportation to dob their employer in. If they didn’t work for illegally low rates, the employer would have to pay a citizen the minimum wage.
Well, I promise they’d work for at least minimum wage (which in and of itself is not enough) if the employer paid them that. You’re acting like it’s the victim’s fault here when they’re being taken advantage of by a corrupt system.
They’re not being taken advantage of, they’re not supposed to be in the country working.
That’s such a tiny view of the world. These people have endured great hardship and are doing jobs that are back breaking but necessary (a lot of them are picking crops, raising livestock and more than raising that meat they’re working in slaughterhouses too).
Yet you think because they didn’t jump through the absurd hoops and frankly absolutely broken immigration system we have that they don’t deserve basic human dignity and rights?
I promise you nobody is coming to “steal” a job, and really can jobs even be stolen? What does that mean, that someone qualified got a job somewhere and you think they don’t deserve it for some reason you can’t articulate? I suppose the reason you’d say is that they “didn’t come here legally,” even if their choice was between survival with illegal immigration to try to make a better life for their family or enduring violence and poverty. I suspect most of us would choose the former if it were an option and we were that desperate too.
I should note here that I think nationalism and borders in general are kind of bullshit. So, to me, the very fucking made up out of thin air laws around it are kind of nonsense. Hence why I think the whole concept of “illegal” immigration is madness. That’s just my opinion though. Nonetheless, even if that view may be on the more extreme end it should be very easy to agree with the fact that our immigration system and the laws around it are very very broken.
Even then we are seeing folks here legally thrown into concentration camps. Some USA citizens suffered the same fate just for their skin color. People being deported to places they never have set foot in because they had the audacity to try to come to the USA for a better life.
Plus that’s putting aside the whole fact that white people showed up and committed a genocide against the natives to even bring the USA into existence in its current state. I don’t think it’s really morally right to complain about immigration when your whole country is founded on dudes showing up on boats from across the ocean and extreme violence.
It’s not a “tiny world view”. Borders and immigration rules exist for a reason. Not understanding the effects of unchecked immigration is the “tiny world view”
I guess that justifies the physical violence against them? If someone breaks any law we should just fucking tackle them?
I mean……yeah, if they’re resisting being detained.
If someone punched your elderly mother in the face, would you be complaining if they were tackled while running away?
I would be more upset you’re comparing someone here illegally with someone assaulting my mother. How the hell does your head work so that comparison makes sense to you?
I can only believe you intentionally chose to ignore the point because you know it hurts your argument, because the alternative is much sadder.