Do they refer to themselves as victims? They didn’t feel need to seek punitive justice, and as far as I know don’t make rounds publicizing their stories. Sure it was all publicized, but at what point is a mistake a mistake between adults? Looking through the comments people are hardpressed to “forgive” like there are actual puritans walking among us. Louis C.K. didn’t harm anyone involved, immediately admitted to it all, and apologized.
I’d rather hear what they have to say on it; otherwise it’s just using them to make a point. That’s how the tabloids publicized them as.
Mistakes happen; people are all kinds weird; people are fallible; lapses of judgement happen. Apologizes were made. No damages were sought. Everybody moved on.
It’s wild how little people are willing to forgive when there’s so many real monsters out there; it’s no perspective on the world IMO.
Many monsters don’t think they are monsters - and they justify their entitlement to force sexual gratification from women the same way as CK.
He is not a rapist but he absolutely deserves the condemnation he’s gotten - both for what he has done and how much he fought accountability for it.
And clearly you have the same problem - you think what he does is ok. Do you abuse women that way and think it’s no big deal? Because you are wrong.
Some of the women who accused him want to be called ‘accusers’ and not ‘victims’. That does not have much to do with the severity of what he did as much as it has to do with how those labels frame them and in cases where they are trying to build their own professional brand (because they are also comedians), that him doing this to them was not only disgusting but that the fallout from it risks CK’s assault on them competing with their online presence about their career - the thing they deserve to have, while CK’s career should be flushed down the toilet.
He initially denied the rumors. And then his public apology has been widely panned as a non-apology - he never even says “I’m sorry”.
Instead, he tried to redirect attention from himself to the behavior of the women - ie, to the power embalance he exploited to do this, using the fact that they admired him professionally to push the limits inappropriately with them - suggesting it was their fault for admiring him so much.
He focused on the pain that this coming out caused him (how guilty he feels) without much acknowledgement of the impact it had on those he did it too.
Do they refer to themselves as victims? They didn’t feel need to seek punitive justice, and as far as I know don’t make rounds publicizing their stories. Sure it was all publicized, but at what point is a mistake a mistake between adults? Looking through the comments people are hardpressed to “forgive” like there are actual puritans walking among us. Louis C.K. didn’t harm anyone involved, immediately admitted to it all, and apologized.
What else would you call “people who experienced a sexual assault and or harassment?”
Do they need to look and act more like victims for you to recognize them as such?
I’d rather hear what they have to say on it; otherwise it’s just using them to make a point. That’s how the tabloids publicized them as.
Mistakes happen; people are all kinds weird; people are fallible; lapses of judgement happen. Apologizes were made. No damages were sought. Everybody moved on.
It’s wild how little people are willing to forgive when there’s so many real monsters out there; it’s no perspective on the world IMO.
Many monsters don’t think they are monsters - and they justify their entitlement to force sexual gratification from women the same way as CK.
He is not a rapist but he absolutely deserves the condemnation he’s gotten - both for what he has done and how much he fought accountability for it.
And clearly you have the same problem - you think what he does is ok. Do you abuse women that way and think it’s no big deal? Because you are wrong.
Some of the women who accused him want to be called ‘accusers’ and not ‘victims’. That does not have much to do with the severity of what he did as much as it has to do with how those labels frame them and in cases where they are trying to build their own professional brand (because they are also comedians), that him doing this to them was not only disgusting but that the fallout from it risks CK’s assault on them competing with their online presence about their career - the thing they deserve to have, while CK’s career should be flushed down the toilet.
You’re delusional. In what ways has he ever “fought accountability for it”?
He initially denied the rumors. And then his public apology has been widely panned as a non-apology - he never even says “I’m sorry”.
Instead, he tried to redirect attention from himself to the behavior of the women - ie, to the power embalance he exploited to do this, using the fact that they admired him professionally to push the limits inappropriately with them - suggesting it was their fault for admiring him so much.
He focused on the pain that this coming out caused him (how guilty he feels) without much acknowledgement of the impact it had on those he did it too.
It was a pretty awful apology.
Every single thing said you’ve here is just fabricated. None of it is substantiated.
He initially denied the rumors. It’s in his Wikipedia page, and here’s an article from Sep 2017 where he is denying them - https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/louis-ck-declines-discuss-sexual-misconduct-rumors-ny-times-interview-1037911/
You can read the apology itself here - he never actually says “I’m sorry” or “I apologize” - https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-41950043
This is a criticism written of the apology from then: https://qz.com/1126593/we-edited-louis-cks-statement-on-sexual-misconduct-to-make-it-a-real-apology
Don’t be an ass and say ‘nothing you said is true’ when the receipts are so easy to find.
And find better role models than losers like him.
That’s a whole lot of rambling explanation against my argument that people don’t need to be raped to be victims.