• diprount_tomato
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    -3810 months ago

    Love all the downvotes by closeted drug addicts

    • XIIIesq
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      1110 months ago

      The only drug I take is alcohol, I still don’t think someone should be criminalised for getting high.

      I especially don’t think that the way to cure drug addiction is to throw people in to prison. Drug problems need to be treated as a health issue, not a criminal one. No happy and healthy person ever woke up and just decided to get addicted to heroin.

      • diprount_tomato
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        -1010 months ago

        No, consumers should not be treated like dealers. They’re not criminals, but victims of themselves that need therapy.

        • Spzi
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          310 months ago

          Therapy makes sense when people have problems in their life.

          It is very well possible to consume drugs like marijuana without developing a dependance, and especially without getting any problems in life. Which means, without indicating any therapy.

          The opposite also happens, and therapy for those who struggle definitely makes sense. It just does not make sense to generalize this way.

          • diprount_tomato
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            If someone uses drugs it’s definitely as a means of evasion, so yeah, marijuana users should go to therapy no matter how they convince themselves and others to be “fine”

            • @OskarAxolotl
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              10 months ago

              Do you drink alcohol? If yes, you need therapy according to your own statement. And so does every single other person on earth who consumes alcohol.

            • Spzi
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              210 months ago

              People use strategies of evasions in a zillion ways, most don’t involve any drugs (like making holidays to evade your everyday life), some involve legal drugs like alcohol (e.g. evade your social anxiety in social events). Using evasive strategies on it’s own is a normal part of live and in itself not a sufficient indicator for therapy. If the individual life suffers from it, then yes. What’s the point of doing therapy with someone who is fine, after all? All while people who actually suffer struggle to get any therapy to begin with?

              We could also very well argue that all of these ways in which people use evasive strategies would be worth of therapy. I could get behind that (though there are good reasons against it, too), but see no reason to single out marijuana then.

              • diprount_tomato
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                110 months ago

                Someone who regularly drinks alcohol to forget how shitty their life is currently being definitely deserves therapy

                • Spzi
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                  210 months ago

                  So there were a couple of thoughts in my comment, a few perspectives and nuances. You singled out one (or actually rather projected) which suits your view which you don’t want to change. There were many other ways to engage in a constructive way, which you evaded.

                  By your logic, don’t you need therapy now? Evasion bad, right?

      • diprount_tomato
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        -1910 months ago

        “Keeping murder illegal is the biggest funding program for hitmen there ever has been in human history”

          • diprount_tomato
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            -1310 months ago

            Those seem like 100% unbiased sources that don’t totally want you to think what they think

              • Spzi
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                410 months ago

                It’s still a good thing to offer a voice of reason when someone spouts nonsense. You may not change their mind, but there are always others who read and are on the fence. Offering sources and reasoning can help a great deal, without any visible effect. In this sense, thank you for your service! o7

              • diprount_tomato
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                -610 months ago

                If you send me news that are as biased as they can possibly be it’s normal

        • XIIIesq
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          710 months ago

          That would almost make sense, were the majority of murders committed by a hitmen making their living as per the amount of drugs that are sold by gangs.

          Most murders are committed without a cash goal in mind, but how many people are supplying cannabis, cocaine or heroin without profit in mind?

    • Flying SquidM
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      910 months ago

      Are you actually claiming cannabis is addictive? Physically addictive?

      • @[email protected]
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        1010 months ago

        They seem to believe a lot of nonsense. So i wouldnt take their claims for much.

        That said while there is a clinical difference between physically and psychological addiction I personally vouch for a more open approach that different people can experience and suffer from addiction in multiple ways. There is also some evidence that similar to allergies some rare people can be physically addicted to anything.

        • Flying SquidM
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          610 months ago

          Unfortunately, they already said blatantly in a response to me that it is physically addictive. I am waiting for evidence.

      • diprount_tomato
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        -1510 months ago

        Yes, and you denying it just proves my point

        • Flying SquidM
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          1110 months ago

          Can you provide some evidence that cannabis is physically addictive please?

          • diprount_tomato
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            -1410 months ago

            Well, the evidence is the same that makes people struggle to stop consuming alcohol and tobacco

            • Flying SquidM
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              810 months ago

              No, that is not evidence of physical addiction. People struggle to stop gambling. That doesn’t mean gambling is physically addictive.

              When I ask for evidence, I am asking for an academic study that agrees with you. That should have been obvious.

              • diprount_tomato
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                -1110 months ago

                Then try stop consuming weed for a year

                • Flying SquidM
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                  810 months ago

                  You, again, could say the same about gambling. I think you aren’t providing any studies because studies would not agree with you.

                  • diprount_tomato
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                    -710 months ago

                    Again, try not doing weed for a year and see if you don’t struggle

                • Spzi
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                  410 months ago

                  I met dozens if not hundreds of people who did exactly that. Most indefinitely. Usually without any therapeutic help.

                  Because it is not physically addictive. It can be psychologically addictive, yes, and some people really do struggle to stop using it. Though most users can quit relatively easy and usually do when they need to be more responsible in their life; ‘grow up’.

                  Can you find a scientific source supporting your stance? Something like (but rather the opposite of) “Recent data suggest that 30% of those who use marijuana may have some degree of marijuana use disorder.”?