This is literally Chuck Schumer loser propaganda, stop repeating it. All it took to get conservative Maine to abandon Republicans was to put a rustic white male face on dem soc policy (Turned out the rustic white male was a rapist, so let’s maybe be careful about future rustic white male selection). Talarico is wildly and authentically popular in Texas. Working class policy can win everywhere, so long as voters can see themselves in the candidate.
I want something to fucking believe in. Look at Trump. He gave millions something they could identify with- a fat rapist pedophile slob who mocks disabled people.
Surely we could do that for affordable groceries, no more random invasions, and health care?
No, it’s reality. Don’t try to hit me with your dumbass boogeyman bullshit. My opinion doesn’t come from Schumer, it comes from understanding the the heavily democratic, urban constituency of NYC is NOT THE FUCKING SAME as everywhere else in the country. Only an absolute moron could possibly believe that.
Also, it’s pretty pathetic to see “progressives” give up on social issues altogether. You encouraging the abandonment of minorities, gay people, transgender people etc is sickening. Keep your phoney version of “morality” to yourself.
No, I wasn’t talking to Mamdani on this message board. I was talking to the “progressive” who advocated we drop social issues and focus only on economic ones.
I never said anything about dropping social issues, you brought “giving up on social issues” as a separate complaint in your reply to me and I ignored it for being disingenuous bait. It’s still disingenuous bait, nobody in US politics fights for social issues harder than a dem soc, because social issues are inseparable from economic issues.
Who do you think would fight harder for social issue? Kamala Harris or AOC? Karen Bass or Zohran Mamdani? Haley Stevens or Abdul El-Sayed?
You’re full of shit if you think dem socs are weak on social issues.
Have you ever lived in NYC? It’s not an outlier for US politics in any manner. The immigrants trend conservative, as immigrants in the US often do. There are many entire neighborhoods that are deep red enclaves (Orthodox, conservative immigrant communities, cop / firefighter communities like City Island / Seaside / Staten Island). Multiple NYC mayors have been Republicans, one of them was RUDOLF FUCKING GIULIANI. It’s the beating heart of global capitalism. Mamdani came out of NYC’s most progressive / leftist region of northeast Brooklyn and western Queens and would have never been elected mayor if he hadn’t found a way to communicate working class values to the entire swath of US political identities.
You can repeat his success anywhere in the US if you combine his platform with a relatable local identity and a strong ground campaign. Sorry if that freaks you out, it really shouldn’t.
Sorry if that freaks you out, it really shouldn’t.
Or we can stop pretending that what works on the NYC constituency will work on the entire country. We can ALSO stop pretending that Mamdani is the only type of Democrat to win an election - which again, he did in a race the Democrat candidate was heavily favored to win. NYC electing a Republican mayor in the Trump era is ridiculous. It just would not happen.
Giuliana back then was NOT the Trump-era dingbat he became.
I’m so tired of this “one-size-fits-all” lazy bullshit. Democrats are generally friendlier to workers’ rights than Republicans, that’s really not arguable. Yet, these people are voting against their own interests. Which means Republicans are gaining ground with their culture war bullshit. That’s why Democrats have lost when they did because even if they do support collective bargaining, workers’ rights or higher minimum wage people STILL vote for Republicans because of their culture war nonsense.
The economy was undoubtedly better under Biden than it was under Trump and we STILL have to hear this bullshit that about Democrats are the “real” enemy.
What “freaks me out” is losing control on this country entirely, which you is what will happen if we continue to be inflexible dumbasses who demand absolute purity “or else”.
It’s hard to follow the disperate threads of your rant here but your core argument seems to still be that a working class agenda can’t win in the majority of the US, which is just wrong. And elsewhere in this thread you’re associating dem soc working class politics with an abandonment of social issues, which is also just wrong.
If the rise of a cohesive left politics in this country truly worries you I wouldn’t fret, I’m sure the DNC and Israel will still be generating corporatist ghouls for you to enthusiastically pull their lever, for many more years to come.
Abigail Spanberger won a tight race against an overt fascist without endorsements from any of the most powerful political blocs in virginia, like the UMWA, USW, UAW, or CWA. she also ran virtually unopposed in the democratic primary. she is not an example of someone who won because of the value of centrist politics. she’s currently wildly unpopular for vetoing populist left wing bills from the long session (60 days) without providing input during the session about what she wanted. the next, and final session of this legislature is a short session (30 days) and none of the legislaters knew what she wants or needs to pass environmental protections, labor protections, or affordability measures as Virginia experiences a housing crisis.
so.
no.
this is not a good counter example to Mamdani, but instead a good example of exactly why no one trusts corporate dems or ex-CIA agents
Didn’t seem to have much issues trusting them in 2020.
Oh I forgot, we’re not supposed to acknowledge that because it doesn’t fit the narrative. I guess 83 million people is “no one”. The standard leftist excuse for a moderate winning is that “they didn’t win by enough”.
Anyone who thinks the NYC constituency is the same as the entire country is a delusional fucking moron. That’s a completely indefensible argument that has no basis in reality. It’s just stubborn hubris from people who think they can “punish” their way into geting what they want by actively harming the causes they pretend to care about.
Spanberger won a tight race.
She beat Earle-Sears 57% to 42%. Arguing that this was a “tight race” is disingenuous.
She lacked endorsements from UMWA, USW, UAW or CWA:
She was endorsed explicitly by the CWA. She was also supported explicitly by other unions: SEIU 32BJ, AFGE and LIUNA. The AFL-CIO didn’t endorse her but that certainly does not mean they preferred her opponent.
She ran virtually unopposed in the Democratic primary
If she ran unopposed in the primary, why didn’t Progressives put up a challenger? Is it HER fault she ran unopposed?
She isn’t evidence of the value of centrist politics
The primary was uncontested so among Democrats you really can’t justify this statement. She then went on to convincingly win VA, which is not a certain blue state. It seems pretty clear to any honest person that her policies combined with Trump backlash are why she won the race.
She’s currently wildly unpopular.
Recent polling cannot possibly be interpreted as “wildly unpopular”. The worst has at 44% approving/47% disapproving.
She vetoed populist left-wing bills.
Some argument here, granted, but it’s still misleading. Some of the vetoed measures were bipartisan, rather than “left wing”. The drug affordability bill passed the Senate 36–4 and House 95-4. She has also singed hundreds of positive bills, including regarding housing and the environment. Also brought the state back into the Regional Greenhouse Gas Initiative. Acting like all she has done is oppose progressive policies is misleading.
She provided no input, and legislators didn’t know what she wanted
The Democrats who spoke out about not hearing opposition until the veto phase are your hated “centrists”, by the way. Seems your happy to listen to them here. Also, her policy staff worked with legislators throughout the session; she submitted approximately 180 amendments, many of which lawmakers accepted. Yes, there were communication issues here but NO it wasn’t some deliberate attempt to scuttle progressive policies.
The “session” shit is ridiculous to begin with. They only meet for 30 days on odd numbered years? That’s supposed to be enough time to go from introducing a bill to passing it? In any event, as stated above, the administration did chime in on the considered legislation over 100 times.
Why am I not surprised to see such a misleading comment from a supposed “leftist”? You contribute to this “post fact” bullshit just as much as the right does.
She ran virtually unopposed in the Democratic primary
If she ran unopposed in the primary, why didn’t Progressives put up a challenger? Is it HER fault she ran unopposed?
Spanberger didn’t run for Congress is 2024 because she intended to run for governor in 2025. The lack of other primary candidates is obvious evidence of a party clearing the path for their chosen candidate.
No, that’s paranoid delusional bullshit based on nothing. That IS NOT “obvious” evidence that there was some official “clearing the path” the disincluded more Progressive options. The only thing it’s evidence of is that no Progressive candidate stood up and tried to run.
The misinformation is fucking ENDLESS with you guys. It’s like you don’t even remotely care if what you say is true or not.
Mamdani won in NYC. His experience cannot be directly applied to the entire country.
Governor of Virginia wouldn’t have won on Mamdani’s policies.
We really need to stop being such single-minded idiots.
This is literally Chuck Schumer loser propaganda, stop repeating it. All it took to get conservative Maine to abandon Republicans was to put a rustic white male face on dem soc policy (Turned out the rustic white male was a rapist, so let’s maybe be careful about future rustic white male selection). Talarico is wildly and authentically popular in Texas. Working class policy can win everywhere, so long as voters can see themselves in the candidate.
I want something to fucking believe in. Look at Trump. He gave millions something they could identify with- a fat rapist pedophile slob who mocks disabled people.
Surely we could do that for affordable groceries, no more random invasions, and health care?
Surely?
No, it’s reality. Don’t try to hit me with your dumbass boogeyman bullshit. My opinion doesn’t come from Schumer, it comes from understanding the the heavily democratic, urban constituency of NYC is NOT THE FUCKING SAME as everywhere else in the country. Only an absolute moron could possibly believe that.
Also, it’s pretty pathetic to see “progressives” give up on social issues altogether. You encouraging the abandonment of minorities, gay people, transgender people etc is sickening. Keep your phoney version of “morality” to yourself.
Who? Mamdani marched in the pride parade last month
No, I wasn’t talking to Mamdani on this message board. I was talking to the “progressive” who advocated we drop social issues and focus only on economic ones.
I never said anything about dropping social issues, you brought “giving up on social issues” as a separate complaint in your reply to me and I ignored it for being disingenuous bait. It’s still disingenuous bait, nobody in US politics fights for social issues harder than a dem soc, because social issues are inseparable from economic issues.
Who do you think would fight harder for social issue? Kamala Harris or AOC? Karen Bass or Zohran Mamdani? Haley Stevens or Abdul El-Sayed?
You’re full of shit if you think dem socs are weak on social issues.
Have you ever lived in NYC? It’s not an outlier for US politics in any manner. The immigrants trend conservative, as immigrants in the US often do. There are many entire neighborhoods that are deep red enclaves (Orthodox, conservative immigrant communities, cop / firefighter communities like City Island / Seaside / Staten Island). Multiple NYC mayors have been Republicans, one of them was RUDOLF FUCKING GIULIANI. It’s the beating heart of global capitalism. Mamdani came out of NYC’s most progressive / leftist region of northeast Brooklyn and western Queens and would have never been elected mayor if he hadn’t found a way to communicate working class values to the entire swath of US political identities.
You can repeat his success anywhere in the US if you combine his platform with a relatable local identity and a strong ground campaign. Sorry if that freaks you out, it really shouldn’t.
Or we can stop pretending that what works on the NYC constituency will work on the entire country. We can ALSO stop pretending that Mamdani is the only type of Democrat to win an election - which again, he did in a race the Democrat candidate was heavily favored to win. NYC electing a Republican mayor in the Trump era is ridiculous. It just would not happen.
Giuliana back then was NOT the Trump-era dingbat he became.
I’m so tired of this “one-size-fits-all” lazy bullshit. Democrats are generally friendlier to workers’ rights than Republicans, that’s really not arguable. Yet, these people are voting against their own interests. Which means Republicans are gaining ground with their culture war bullshit. That’s why Democrats have lost when they did because even if they do support collective bargaining, workers’ rights or higher minimum wage people STILL vote for Republicans because of their culture war nonsense.
The economy was undoubtedly better under Biden than it was under Trump and we STILL have to hear this bullshit that about Democrats are the “real” enemy.
What “freaks me out” is losing control on this country entirely, which you is what will happen if we continue to be inflexible dumbasses who demand absolute purity “or else”.
It’s hard to follow the disperate threads of your rant here but your core argument seems to still be that a working class agenda can’t win in the majority of the US, which is just wrong. And elsewhere in this thread you’re associating dem soc working class politics with an abandonment of social issues, which is also just wrong.
If the rise of a cohesive left politics in this country truly worries you I wouldn’t fret, I’m sure the DNC and Israel will still be generating corporatist ghouls for you to enthusiastically pull their lever, for many more years to come.
Abigail Spanberger won a tight race against an overt fascist without endorsements from any of the most powerful political blocs in virginia, like the UMWA, USW, UAW, or CWA. she also ran virtually unopposed in the democratic primary. she is not an example of someone who won because of the value of centrist politics. she’s currently wildly unpopular for vetoing populist left wing bills from the long session (60 days) without providing input during the session about what she wanted. the next, and final session of this legislature is a short session (30 days) and none of the legislaters knew what she wants or needs to pass environmental protections, labor protections, or affordability measures as Virginia experiences a housing crisis.
so.
no.
this is not a good counter example to Mamdani, but instead a good example of exactly why no one trusts corporate dems or ex-CIA agents
Didn’t seem to have much issues trusting them in 2020.
Oh I forgot, we’re not supposed to acknowledge that because it doesn’t fit the narrative. I guess 83 million people is “no one”. The standard leftist excuse for a moderate winning is that “they didn’t win by enough”.
Anyone who thinks the NYC constituency is the same as the entire country is a delusional fucking moron. That’s a completely indefensible argument that has no basis in reality. It’s just stubborn hubris from people who think they can “punish” their way into geting what they want by actively harming the causes they pretend to care about.
Spanberger won a tight race.
She lacked endorsements from UMWA, USW, UAW or CWA:
She ran virtually unopposed in the Democratic primary
She isn’t evidence of the value of centrist politics
She’s currently wildly unpopular.
She vetoed populist left-wing bills.
She provided no input, and legislators didn’t know what she wanted
The “session” shit is ridiculous to begin with. They only meet for 30 days on odd numbered years? That’s supposed to be enough time to go from introducing a bill to passing it? In any event, as stated above, the administration did chime in on the considered legislation over 100 times.
Why am I not surprised to see such a misleading comment from a supposed “leftist”? You contribute to this “post fact” bullshit just as much as the right does.
Spanberger didn’t run for Congress is 2024 because she intended to run for governor in 2025. The lack of other primary candidates is obvious evidence of a party clearing the path for their chosen candidate.
No, that’s paranoid delusional bullshit based on nothing. That IS NOT “obvious” evidence that there was some official “clearing the path” the disincluded more Progressive options. The only thing it’s evidence of is that no Progressive candidate stood up and tried to run.
The misinformation is fucking ENDLESS with you guys. It’s like you don’t even remotely care if what you say is true or not.