Labor with the NDIS amendments. Some of it is nothing short of cruelty.
Many disabled people feel they have nothing to lose…take away the social and community participation budget, that’s a big aspect of enjoyable life gone for them. They’re clear; they’ll put Labor last and it doesn’t matter what’s said to them in regards to the conservatives being worse…they have to deal with what’s happening in front of them that’s real, not what may or may not under future incompetent conservative governments.
Some people were better off with NDIS plans under the conservatives. Whatever peoples take from that might be (and it’s generally misinformed by my experience, being a plan manager and carer) that’s a fact for many, and it’s enough for people with nothing to lose to put Labor last, on what’s happening in front of them.
Go take a look around the discussion with disability advocates and you’ll see what’s going on. There’s not a lot of love for Labor among the unemployed and their advocacy either. Remember, as I said these are people with not a lot to lose so they’ll vote based on how they’re being treated.
That doesn’t reflect how I may or may not vote either, just how it is.
As I recall, Albanese used a lot of talk about his sainted single Mum on disability to win support for his first term, where he promised he’d form a committee to look into raising the DSP to levels where recipients could actually afford to live. Then he promised to raise the rate if he got a second term. To be fair, he did, and some pensioners can now afford half a Mars bar as a treat if they’re frugal with their medication. Raises fell far short of the recommended $60 a week necessary to manage the cost of living. But, then again, they always have.
Of course, the LNP wanted to put everyone on social security on the Twiggy Card, telling them where they could shop, and what they were allowed and not allowed to buy, with the government throwing $10,000 per cardholder at themselves and Twiggy. So they can be trusted to do right for pensioners about as much as a Death Adder with a migraine can be trusted not to lash out.
God knows where the Greens sit on any issue, since they’ve voted with the LNP and Labor multiple times. PHON is nothing but something created to enrich Pauline Hanson. The teals flip flop depending on the wind. Palmer’s a joke.
In a field of shit, the best one can do is avoid stepping in the fresh ones. But who is actually progressive, and will stand behind their promises?
Yes Albanese has hung his hat on this sole parent/public housing background for a while now and on several occasions.
The tax concession changes had to happen and I’m glad they did. The results from doing that are already starting to flow through with house prices taking a dip in a few of the major cities. That will continue to flow through, especially now that Chinese investors are bailing. This is all good news for future home owners and it will flow through to renters eventually as well.
The missing bits are still state pubic housing investment and a restoring of a decent trades training and vocational system by scrapping the privatised garbage we have. That hasn’t just destroyed trades training, it’s also destroyed the travelling seasonal work we used to have (the one backpackers also use) because private job companies won’t allow people to leave the area they’re registered in. They want to make money out of them with regular contact interviews and shitty courses.
Yeah the fight to keep that card out was a long, drawn out one and they won’t stop with it either, they will try it again and again until it’s introduced. It’s coming back, make no mistake about that. I guess because they were so incompetent in government, they weren’t able to get full Senate backing on it. They were forced to do things during Covid that led to raised payments as well…because they were incompetent and the backlash was strong.
It sucks; both my sons NDIS plan and our living conditions were actually better under that Coalition government than they are now; a fact that those on the left and some centrists don’t want to hear. I’m not alone, there’s quite a few NDIS recipients and carers who have or will lose out because Butler thinks no further than a spreadsheet and fraud by some providers.
For the Greens, while I find that yeah, they vote a lot with the coalition, its rarely or never with the same rationale and usually fit our benefit rather than detriment. Usually. The vape bill was an example of the opposite. So were the social network laws. I find that every election though, I’m turning up with the Greens being the clear, best option. I don’t see them as obstructionists; I helped put those Senators there to block bad legislation and improve weak, they’re as a rule doing that. They generally oppose Labor’s NDIS amendment bill and they’ve gotten some good concessions on it so far.
For the teals…here we have as you say a bit of a flip flop. Most are inner city elites, with the main topic being the environment but we have a couple of socially aware among them like Ryan. They need to be watched though, we saw some opposition to the housing tax concession changes, because of course they use rentals to reduce their tax bill.
Pocock, I can say nothing about but positive. This is an elite, fighting for the lower classes. Hanson I can’t add anything more because you’re spot on, that’s exactly what PHON is.
But yes, it’s a field of shit all right and the best we can do is avoid stepping in…any shit really.
Which party is targeting disabled people, and why?
Labor with the NDIS amendments. Some of it is nothing short of cruelty.
Many disabled people feel they have nothing to lose…take away the social and community participation budget, that’s a big aspect of enjoyable life gone for them. They’re clear; they’ll put Labor last and it doesn’t matter what’s said to them in regards to the conservatives being worse…they have to deal with what’s happening in front of them that’s real, not what may or may not under future incompetent conservative governments.
Some people were better off with NDIS plans under the conservatives. Whatever peoples take from that might be (and it’s generally misinformed by my experience, being a plan manager and carer) that’s a fact for many, and it’s enough for people with nothing to lose to put Labor last, on what’s happening in front of them.
Go take a look around the discussion with disability advocates and you’ll see what’s going on. There’s not a lot of love for Labor among the unemployed and their advocacy either. Remember, as I said these are people with not a lot to lose so they’ll vote based on how they’re being treated.
That doesn’t reflect how I may or may not vote either, just how it is.
As I recall, Albanese used a lot of talk about his sainted single Mum on disability to win support for his first term, where he promised he’d form a committee to look into raising the DSP to levels where recipients could actually afford to live. Then he promised to raise the rate if he got a second term. To be fair, he did, and some pensioners can now afford half a Mars bar as a treat if they’re frugal with their medication. Raises fell far short of the recommended $60 a week necessary to manage the cost of living. But, then again, they always have.
Of course, the LNP wanted to put everyone on social security on the Twiggy Card, telling them where they could shop, and what they were allowed and not allowed to buy, with the government throwing $10,000 per cardholder at themselves and Twiggy. So they can be trusted to do right for pensioners about as much as a Death Adder with a migraine can be trusted not to lash out.
God knows where the Greens sit on any issue, since they’ve voted with the LNP and Labor multiple times. PHON is nothing but something created to enrich Pauline Hanson. The teals flip flop depending on the wind. Palmer’s a joke.
In a field of shit, the best one can do is avoid stepping in the fresh ones. But who is actually progressive, and will stand behind their promises?
Yes Albanese has hung his hat on this sole parent/public housing background for a while now and on several occasions.
The tax concession changes had to happen and I’m glad they did. The results from doing that are already starting to flow through with house prices taking a dip in a few of the major cities. That will continue to flow through, especially now that Chinese investors are bailing. This is all good news for future home owners and it will flow through to renters eventually as well.
The missing bits are still state pubic housing investment and a restoring of a decent trades training and vocational system by scrapping the privatised garbage we have. That hasn’t just destroyed trades training, it’s also destroyed the travelling seasonal work we used to have (the one backpackers also use) because private job companies won’t allow people to leave the area they’re registered in. They want to make money out of them with regular contact interviews and shitty courses.
Yeah the fight to keep that card out was a long, drawn out one and they won’t stop with it either, they will try it again and again until it’s introduced. It’s coming back, make no mistake about that. I guess because they were so incompetent in government, they weren’t able to get full Senate backing on it. They were forced to do things during Covid that led to raised payments as well…because they were incompetent and the backlash was strong.
It sucks; both my sons NDIS plan and our living conditions were actually better under that Coalition government than they are now; a fact that those on the left and some centrists don’t want to hear. I’m not alone, there’s quite a few NDIS recipients and carers who have or will lose out because Butler thinks no further than a spreadsheet and fraud by some providers.
For the Greens, while I find that yeah, they vote a lot with the coalition, its rarely or never with the same rationale and usually fit our benefit rather than detriment. Usually. The vape bill was an example of the opposite. So were the social network laws. I find that every election though, I’m turning up with the Greens being the clear, best option. I don’t see them as obstructionists; I helped put those Senators there to block bad legislation and improve weak, they’re as a rule doing that. They generally oppose Labor’s NDIS amendment bill and they’ve gotten some good concessions on it so far.
For the teals…here we have as you say a bit of a flip flop. Most are inner city elites, with the main topic being the environment but we have a couple of socially aware among them like Ryan. They need to be watched though, we saw some opposition to the housing tax concession changes, because of course they use rentals to reduce their tax bill.
Pocock, I can say nothing about but positive. This is an elite, fighting for the lower classes. Hanson I can’t add anything more because you’re spot on, that’s exactly what PHON is.
But yes, it’s a field of shit all right and the best we can do is avoid stepping in…any shit really.
Edit: sorry for hijacking your thread Europe.