On stuff outside of lemmygrad, we are receiving a lot of hate, especially by those who just moved from Reddit. Guess they lost their hidden privilege at Reddit as their rhetoric used to be almost universal over there, while genzedong and our other subs get censored and banned. And now, on lemmy, their stuff isn’t universal, as we are more prevalent here. Seems like they really want that hidden privilege back
Just to add some things not mentioned by the other poster about tankies, 1. They deny any sort of atrocities committed by communist regimes, 2. They believe in “socialism for one country”, which means for example the subservience of the countries in the warsaw pact to the Soviet union (like previously mentioned the name tankie comes from tanks rolling into hungry) 3. Support of previous Soviet countries such as Russia, under the guise of a united front against fascist/capitalist US supported nations
To me, from a random common person, I can not abide by anyone trafficking in human suffering. There has always been a ruling class, in every form of govt. Communism is no different.
Atrocities just take different forms, forms of human nature.
It’s a constant battle with our own biology.
I’m the opposite of an authoritarian. Quite frankly I hate anything that takes itself remotely seriously. To imagine kicking up violence in the name of personal gain, is to imagine being stupid. I don’t want to be stupid.
The answers are seemingly beyond our grasp at every turn. I believe this is due to our innate qualities as humans. And this is just what it means to be alive.
We are climbing the ladder of evolution. Whether we make it past this bottleneck is yet to be decided, but I believe discussion like this is what pushes the boundaries of our own imagination and awareness, of our place in the world and the battle to make life better.
That is all.
Yeah, I just wanted to clarify things that the other poster didn’t really acknowledging, that is that the communists in this community is kind of a fringe subset of communism. Obviously discussion is very good and I’m not opposed to the posts here, but if you are not particularly interested in authoritarianism, any derivate of Leninists you might not be comfortable with
Yea I’m a bit ignorant on all that so thanks for clarification.
You actually have touched on something that I was wondering about.
Why are these authoritarian regimes not considered a ruling class? I mean they are basically royalty.
I just don’t see a justification for some of these things from a communist poverty, besides control, “for our own good”. But it’s obvious these are not good people and are just a different flavor of the scum bags that run DC. All profit, power, gain. The workers take over, a new ruling class takes over. Rinse repeat.
I don’t see that cycle breaking unless there are far far far less humans populating the earth.
I don’t know.
It’s kind of an extension of the communist party being ‘the vanguard’ of the worker movement and that the societies which communist revolutions took place wasn’t really capitalist (Russia was more agrarian) so an intermediate step was required to move onto a ‘real’ communist society. Enter the ‘dictatorship of the proletariet’, purpose of is to move the country along and set up the requirements for communism. This dictatorship would then naturally go away as the country moved to communism. After Stalin took power the dictatorship took on other facets that basically made it a permanent feature.
So to answer your question it’s because it’s deemed necessary to have a ‘ruling class’ and to have hardship to eventually move onto communism.
Hmm. I was afraid so. I’m not sure how I feel about that. Sort of feels like pretext to me.
Perfect communism could probably only work with a small group of people so it’s pretty much a constant state until a mass extinction event happens. …all the while you do in fact have a shitty ruling class.
Luckily there are other left ideologies that are more palateble than leninism and marxist-leninist, like Democratic socialism, anarchism and such. Lots of reading can be done 😃
Democratic socialism is the platform that seems most doable for our current situation. It’s not that I am un read. I only finished high school, but i try to self educate. Lots of work to be done for sure during this blip of a life.
No no, I didn’t mean it like that, I don’t consider myself unread but there is so much information and theories regarding these topics I’ve probably not been exposed to a tenth of all topics related to it. I am happy I live in a Nordic country where social democracy has been a huge influence in our politics and as a result our state organization