“Do you believe that Virginia Giuffre was a victim of Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell?” the House oversight committee asked Ruemmler, who served as the White House counsel in the Obama administration, during her interview with the panel earlier this month part of its investigation into Epstein.
“I don’t know,” she responded, according to a transcript released on Wednesday.
Ruemmler went on to add: “If she says that she was, I don’t have a reason to doubt that. However, there were allegations that she made that were, I believed based on my experience as a former prosecutor and as a defense counsel, that were of such a nature that they were – they lacked inherent credibility.
“Typically, when someone says, I was sex trafficked to someone, they say who, when, where, not multiple world leaders, multiple foreign presidents,” she said.
Her remarks were condemned by Giuffre’s brother and sister-in-law, who said in a statement that it as “reprehensible” to “attempt to cast doubt on Virginia, whose bravery was the reason so many other survivors stepped forward, resulting in more than 50 people having to step down from their positions of power”.
They said that “the only person who lacks credibility is Kathy Ruemmler”.
Direct link to Ruemmler’s testimony before the House Oversight Committee on July 15, 2026:
https://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2026/07/Ruemmler-Final-Transcript_Redact-7.28.26.pdf
I would imagine something very close to what Virginia Giuffre said when she was trafficked to multiple world leaders and foreign presidents.
The circular logic with these people is fucking insane.