• DuamerthraxEnglish
    181·
    8 days ago

    Then it’s simple. The US should help Ukraine. They’re being invaded and are asking for help. For the “pragmatists”, any nation what helps Ukraine with have an easier time doing business with them afterwards.

    • Earthwormjim91English
      10·
      8 days ago

      The US has.

      Ukraine has explicitly NOT asked for direct military assistance. They have not asked for troops or US airstrikes.

      They have asked for weapons, logistics, intelligence, and ammunition. All of which have been provided by the US and European NATO nations.

      • Mika@piefed.caEnglish
        81·
        7 days ago

        Ukrainians repeatedly asked to close the sky, which is de-facto a sort of direct help. Also talks about NATO troops being stationed on the West part. Still no balls.

        Second paragraph - only after 2022. Ukraine was denied even buying Western equipment in 2014. Obama is an asshole.

    • HCSOThrowawayEnglish
      32·
      8 days ago

      It’s basically Chamberlain++.

      Chamberlain’s appeasement for fear of kicking off WWII was bad enough, but now nuclear missiles are on the table, so there’s much more fear.

      There’s never a good time to kick off WWIII, so most nations are going to bend over backward to not do so.

      • DuamerthraxEnglish
        21·
        8 days ago

        I do not believe that Russia has working nukes and I bet most nation’s intelligence don’t believe they do either, but no one wants bet on that.

        Also, I believe we’re already in WWIII. At least at some point in the future, the start of it will be retroactively decided to have happened before now.

        • HCSOThrowawayEnglish
          5·
          8 days ago

          I do not believe that Russia has working nukes and I bet most nation’s intelligence don’t believe they do either, but no one wants bet on that.

          That’s a huge stretch. Working ICBMs are 1960s tech’. Russia has repeatedly demonstrated they’re perfectly capable of employing 1960s tech’ reliably enough to function sometimes.

          It doesn’t take a 2026 nuke to hit a country in 2026. The more modern, the more likely it hits, but they have so many.

          Also, I believe we’re already in WWIII. At least at some point in the future, the start of it will be retroactively decided to have happened before now.

          You’re being pedantic about the term WWIII. We both know what I meant.

          • DuamerthraxEnglish
            4·
            8 days ago

            Nukes don’t store forever. They require more upkeep then other types of military equipment and Russia has proven to be lacking by their initial invasion. Keen eyes noticed that the trucks they were using were sitting for years by the dryrot wear on the tires.

            • HCSOThrowawayEnglish
              2·
              8 days ago

              I’m no nuclear expert but I do dabble in statistics, and you’re making an argument for “the majority of the Russian stockpile will be too decrepit to function,” not an argument for “all of the Russian stockpile will be too decrepit to function.”

              All it takes is one to kill millions. That’s the scenario The West is desperately trying to avoid at any cost.

              I don’t know why you’re doing mental gymnastics to deny either above point, but it’s getting exhausting trying to keep up with you.

              • DuamerthraxEnglish
                4·
                8 days ago

                Nuclear material decays and as it decays, will not detonate with the energy from the explosive material it was built with. It NEEDS to be replaced on an regular basis, depending on the type it is. It’s not a matter of a chance o-ring dry rotting or chance capacitor leaking or chance fuel going bad.

                Putin’s a bully. There’s an implicate threat that Putin will use nukes if he doesn’t get what he wants, but he’ll never be happy with what he has. The best case scenario is he croaks on his own because he’s too damn paranoid to let someone near him assassinate him. He’s probably scared shitless from the recent drone attack on his palace.

                Russia has blackmail on “The West.” That’s why they’re complicate. Politicians are self serving shits. If they cared about unnecessary deaths, they would have handled Covid better.

                • HCSOThrowawayEnglish
                  2·
                  7 days ago

                  Nuclear material decays and as it decays, will not detonate with the energy from the explosive material it was built with. It NEEDS to be replaced on an regular basis, depending on the type it is. It’s not a matter of a chance o-ring dry rotting or chance capacitor leaking or chance fuel going bad.

                  That’s 1940s technology.

                  Putin’s a bully. There’s an implicate threat that Putin will use nukes if he doesn’t get what he wants, but he’ll never be happy with what he has. The best case scenario is he croaks on his own because he’s too damn paranoid to let someone near him assassinate him. He’s probably scared shitless from the recent drone attack on his palace.

                  Not sure why you included this because it’s irrelevant and I agree, but I guess if you had to get a quick soapbox Red Herring out, it’s not like I can stop you.

                  Russia has blackmail on “The West.” That’s why they’re complicate. Politicians are self serving shits. If they cared about unnecessary deaths, they would have handled Covid better.

                  More Red Herring soapboxing. Try to stay on topic with your next comment.

                  • DuamerthraxEnglish
                    2·
                    7 days ago

                    https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/document/22540-05-ukraine-could-not-have-kept-nuclear

                    Therefore, the general permitted lifespan of our nuclear warheads is 12 years. When they remain in operation beyond the identified term of service, they become especially dangerous for the environment. Ukraine does not have specialized facilities, including the material and technological base, for the processing and production of nuclear warheads. Ukraine cannot create such conditions independently. In accordance with the non-proliferation of nuclear technology regime nobody has the right to provide Ukraine this kind of assistance.

                    There’s more in there, but the gist is is that if Ukraine couldn’t have maintained the nukes they had then the USSR fell, I don’t think Russia could have either.

                    My point in calling out Putin as a bully is that if he actually has working nukes, he will use then whether or not we abide by his threats or not.