The whole furry thing is creepy as hell. It’s weird. Wanting to have sex with anthropomorphized animals is not a thing that should be normalized.
And it’s even creepier when they add things like “kitten” or showing anthropomorphized animal kids.
And thank you to Unruffled [they/them] / Flatworm7591 @lemmy.dbzer0.com for this sane and reasonable response.
And thanks to recursive_recursion who seems to be an alt of Flatworm for continuing that sane and reasonable response. Note that in over 1,400 comments here I’ve never once said a single word against trans people. Not once.
It really bothers me when people lie about racism. So many people really do experience it so much in life, and lying using false racism accusations as a sword and shield to make other people look bad and make themselves look like the victim is demeaning to every real instance people suffer.
Hopefully one day this person realizes that lying about transphobia for the same reasons does the same thing.
The costumes(with some exceptions) are just costumes though, not everyone who has a fursuit is even into the kinky stuff, you seem to be making a lot of assumptions and generalizations. It’s not all sexual.
If anything you might be the one oversexualizing here
How do you tell if someone wearing a fur suit is into the kinky stuff or not? I can’t tell out in public personally.
I’m asking sincerely as I don’t mind furries generally. To each their own and all that! But I do mind when people are involving others in their kink without consent.
Pretty easy does the suit have “holes”
Are the holes in the sex fur suits really obvious or something? I wouldn’t know which is why I’m asking.
BIG ZIPPER also those are called murr suits not fur suits… they are generally a lot less nice and more functional. I don’t own either but have thought of getting one of the really thin printed fabric types to go with my hood.
You want people to be more understanding of furry culture? Don’t answer sincere questions like this.
With honesty?
All caps “BIG ZIPPER” doesn’t tell me much other than you’re possibly being sarcastic and treating me like I’m dumb for asking.
Oh come on, I’m being sincere here. Wouldn’t there be zippers regardless to get in and out of the suit?
Are the zippers really obvious when it’s a sex suit vs a fur suit?
yes, they are made to be operated with gloved hands
But like…how? I can’t search for fur suits vs sex suits at the moment and just telling me “zippers” isn’t giving me a clear image of how they’re different.
Like I’m going to ask or look that closely at someone in public?
You would see it from 10 to 20ft away assuming you have decent vision
Same way you go around assuming most people aren’t wearing vibrators and butt plugs in public, because some definitely do but it’s probably best not to make negative assumptions about people.
Personally though I don’t even mind if people do kink in public so long as on a functional level it’s not noticeable or at risk of making others uncomfortable.
Mm that’s a good point on the wearable sex toys. I’ll make negative assumptions about people wearing those and knowingly involving non-consenting people in the kink though. Even if the other people are unaware. That’s creepy and borders on rape-like tendencies.
It’s directly involving non consenting, unaware, people in their sexual fetish. It’s definitely creepy and not okay.
So does masturbation usually. I think you need a more detailed explanation of what actually makes a thing wrong and where that line is.
No, it doesn’t. There’s a huge distinction between the natural human act of masturbation possibly imagining a person in your head but not involving them in any way in reality, and secretly masturbating while sitting next to others in public and very literally involving them in your fetish.
On a physical level sure, but on a moral level I’d be interested to hear your reasoning. I don’t even really have a horse in this race since it’s not something I do or have any interest in doing but it seems pretty obvious that this doesn’t really harm anyone, you’re not forcing anyone to do anything, you’re not doing anything TO anyone, and unless they take your clothes off they won’t know,
masturbation: getting off while thinking about someone in another room this:getting off while thinking about someone in the same room
if the only difference is proximity then what even is your argument considering proximity has no moral dimension?
Yeah that’s the line for me with any kink or fetish. You can’t involve others without their consent and still be morally correct.
I don’t think this actually is the line though, take masturbation for example, most folk masturbate to other people they know, technically this is involving others in a sexual way without consent but it’s considered completely ok and normal because ultimately you’re not doing anything TO them.
Same with wearing a buttplug in public, is it kinda strange? Yeah, sure, you can even say it’s offputting and I would at least in some cases agree, but on a moral level you’re not doing anything TO anyone, that’s in my eyes the real line, if they don’t know and have no way of knowing then it’s not really causing harm.
Compare it to say flashing strangers in public, now you’re doing something TO people, without consent and that is bad.
Hmm I like your point about masturbation. To narrow in on where my personal line is: the physically present part. I do think if one is wearing a sex toy in public with the purpose of getting the thrill of interacting with people without consent it isn’t morally ok. Intention matters.
Now that I know fur suits that people wear in public are not used sexually (or at least that’s what I’ve been told here), my opinion on the public suit wearing has shifted a little to a more positive one.
I know there’s an argument in there that what people don’t know won’t hurt them, but I disagree. It hurts the offender as well as the subjects when leaning into enjoying using people without consent.
Right. I’m the one over sexualizing the anthropomorphized animals people post blatantly sexual pictures of all over the internet. My mistake.
I’m not denying SOME of it is sexual, but what you’re doing is assuming that MOST or ALL of it is sexual, which is both wrong and also the result of cognitive biases and a good example of why extrapolation from anecdotes is a bad idea especially when it’s fueled by confirmation bias
The Internet is full of those sexualized pictures. The pictures came before the suits were something most people could easily buy.
The sexualization started before people started wearing them in public for other things. The only reason the response wasn’t people freaking out was most didn’t know that and kids just see cute animal mascots.
It still seems like forcing the public to participate in a fetish without consent.
Can you please stop trying to work backwards from your conclusion to the supporting evidence.
I got into the fandom from reading Ozzy and Millie https://ozyandmillie.org/
I have no idea what you’re talking about, that doesn’t seem like a response to the comment you responded to. It’s definitely not me saying how you got interested in anything.
This is it. 25 years ago you couldnt easily buy a fursuit. All of my expierence with furries have been sexual dipictions and art online. its all sexual (that ive seen). Even the one furry couple i met at a party, they werent in dress, and him and his girl tried to “pick me up” and I declined, but someone told me after they were furries. I didnt care, but ive never seen it presented out of a sexual context. And this is a new thing, it’s new to a lot of people for the fact you couldnt get these outfits so easily a decade ot two ago. So its new, it is odd, not to use this word odd in a negitive way, but objectivly its odd, and many dont understand.
so you grow up online seeing sexual furry art everywhere, and then now today see a furry …at the zoo(come on)… the mental connection is visceral from the only other exposure outsiders have seen.
I honestly find it irresponsible this group that went to a zoo.
because of this connection of fur suits and sexual fetish, it very hard for some outsiders not to feel like its unconsentually exposing this fetish to the public.
This mirrors my experience really closely. It all presented as sexual from the start.
There’s a furry community in my area that specifically targets people from the age of 13-23 years old for their gatherings. I find that problematic as well.