cross-posted from: https://lemmy.sdf.org/post/59066615
China has imposed a range of sweeping new rules restricting travel in and out of the country in a move that observers say will give the government even more control over its citizens.
Citizens deemed to have “harmed” China’s national security or interests while overseas can also be barred from leaving China for up to three years.
But the law also says that it will apply to anyone considered a threat to the country’s industrial or technological security.
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Under the new rules, border officials are now also required to advise Chinese nationals against travelling to countries and regions deemed “high-risk”.
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But even prior to the rules being announced, some people were already restricted from going to certain countries. Civil servants were among the earliest groups subjected to these controls, which later expanded to include state-owned enterprise employees and ordinary citizens.
A retired grassroots civil servant in Anhui told BBC Chinese that around 2018, his workplace made employees surrender their passports. His passport remains in the custody of his former employer even though he retired last year.
According to the ex-civil servant, employees had to apply and explain their reasons for overseas travel, and not all requests were approved.
For example, trips to visit relatives were more likely to be approved than tourism trips, he said.
“It is mainly to prevent corrupt officials from fleeing or transferring assets abroad,” he said. “For more senior officials, it may also be intended to prevent the disclosure of state secrets.”
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A man identified by his pseudonym, Xiao Wang, who works at a state-owned financial institution in Beijing, told BBC Chinese that his fellow employees have long been required to surrender their passports and get approval for overseas travel.
The 32-year-old said managers have verbally reminded staff that “sensitive countries such as Japan are definitely off-limits”.
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The rules could also affect citizens who work in areas such as human rights, say analysts.
“This is another tool designed to control what Chinese citizens do and say overseas,” said Professor Tom Kellogg, Executive Director of the Center for Asian Law at Georgetown University.
“In some cases, in order to prevent individuals from criticising the Chinese government overseas or to punish their rights advocacy activities, state security authorities directly refuse to issue passports.”
One 26-year-old Chinese citizen, who wished to be identified only as Pipi, told BBC Chinese that his passport application in 2023 was rejected and he believes it was because he attended the massive pro-democracy protests in Hong Kong in 2019.
According to Pipi, he was interviewed by Hong Kong media outlets during the protests. When he returned to mainland China, he was questioned by state security police.
He said one immigration official told him that he could not get a passport “because of the Hong Kong issue” – but this was not confirmed in writing to him.
“I don’t know whether I’ll ever be able to leave [China],” he said.
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I’m surprised this news even made it beyond the voluptuous borders of the great firewall…
China’s firewall doesn’t prevent information from leaving China. Whether it gets reported or not in the west is mostly a question of whether or not a news agency decides to do so, assuming it isn’t covered by CGTN or SCMP.
I have friends in China, of whom I talk to.
So yeah, it’s a shitty wall.
I don’t see how any of that points to information being difficult to see from the outside. At most there’s a translation barrier.
Information is lost in translation. For instance, my sense of humour I attempted to instill in an honest observation.
*I was gonna also include a joke about Mongolians breaching said wall, which I am now doing in an edit.
Is the information loss in translation an aspect of the firewall, or language itself?
Both. The purpose of different languages is to be obscure. The purpose of a wall is to protect.
Language differences emerge as indigenous societies begin communicating with each other. The fact that China largely speaks Mandarin does not mean they are doing so to hide anything. The firewall does protect the Chinese domestic internet infrastructure from domination by more well-developed western alternatives similar to how trade protectionism works to protect US automotive industries from Chinese EVs. Neither of these points to it being a deliberate consequence of the firewall that information on China is scarcer in the west.
It’s hard to say if humans evolved from the same place, but it seems likely.
Not my fault that they forgot or decided to not communicate in the same manner.
Yet, here I am. Using 1 thumb to debate this with a complete stranger.
…I digress