You specifically mentioned HVAC, gonna move the posts now too? You have to have electricity for HVAC mate.
And you don’t leave a wood burning stove alone when you go out for hours. Those are for cabins, not homes. And have you ever tried to get insurance with a wood burning heating system…? Because it’s impossible, without a secondary, so your water lines don’t freeze, or a host of other problems.
So, if you have electricity you don’t need propane and if you don’t have electricity you can use wood.
Wood is not just used in stoves nowadays, there’s ovens that can heat a central heating system.
I don’t know (or care) where you live, but I know people in Canada that use wood to heat their house in winter. They have an electric (induction) stove and get water from their own well. It seems to me that you’re the one who’s ignorant of what’s possible.
Do you not comprehend just how much electricity you would need to heat a house without gas? You would need wide swaths of land for the solar panels, and massive batteries to store it. Thats not feasible in the mountains.
Jesus Christ you’re talking about cabins still, not homes that people live in 24/7.
The mountains are a 2 hour drive from my major city. Lots of people live there and drive into the city daily for work. You can’t leave a wood burning heating system (stove or anything else, but of course you would fixate on the detail….), while you’re gone for 12 hours. It would burn out, or you would need to a stoke so much wood you’ve created a fire hazard.
Yes it’s possible to live like that, but that’s not the scenario you presented, nor is it feasible for general living as tried to explained multiple times. Also wood burning isn’t hvac, and it sure as hell isn’t “modern hvac” that you specified. So why the hell are you even talking about it?
A 2000sqft home would need about 25kw of electrical power to heat a home. Thats about 50 panels. And that’s JUST for the electric heat. Do you not understand just HOW much land that is….?
It’s just not feasible lmfao. Where you’re connected to the grid, it’s a non-issue, but that’s not what was being discuss you bloody mook. In most places it’s “more efficient” and “cheaper” if you only account for the cost of the gas or electricity, but not if you include the land or any other factors.
Also, try read your own sources, they don’t even agrees what with you’re trying to argue either.
Put another way: Heat pumps may get less efficient as temperatures plummet, but they can still extract thermal energy from that cold air. If a trained technician has properly installed the heat pump, they’ll have sized it both for the volume of the home and in consideration of the lowest temperatures which that area will endure. “You have a maximum capacity that you require for that really cold day,” says Rosenow. “The temperature will drop and the heat pump will need more electricity, but it still provides exactly the right amount of heat to keep you comfortable.”
To offset such costs for the consumer, governments might implement higher taxes on fossil fuels and use the revenue to lower utility bills. They can also roll out tax rebates or grants for installing heat pumps. The US Inflation Reduction Act, for instance, provides thousands of dollars for people to switch to a heat pump and do additional electric work that may be required to run them. The bill also covers weatherization—means of weatherproofing a building, like insulation and windows—that would help a home retain heat, thus increasing the efficiency of a heat pump: The less you have to run it, the less electricity you have to use and the lower your operating costs.
You’re a fucking ignorant idiot dude.
The link ALSO states it changes to resistive heating if it’s too cold…. So… yeah, it’s not even heat pumping if it gets too cold…
Where I live, it’s a city of over a million, it can regularly get down to -40c, and we only get 7:30 hours of sunlight during the shortest days. The amount of panels and batteries you would need to survive the night is quite a bit more than you’re imagining I think.
The system can’t work for everyone, I don’t think the other user was saying everyone needs it, just there will always be a usecase. Colder remote places without lots of sun, that aren’t able to connect to the grid sounds like that usecase.
Obviously if you’re grid connected, heat pumps are the way to go, but ignoring an entire portion of people who it isn’t feasible for is just wild.
Your article also only talks about -10c…. That’s… not that cold dude.
Places that don’t even have electricity usually still burn wood.
You specifically mentioned HVAC, gonna move the posts now too? You have to have electricity for HVAC mate.
And you don’t leave a wood burning stove alone when you go out for hours. Those are for cabins, not homes. And have you ever tried to get insurance with a wood burning heating system…? Because it’s impossible, without a secondary, so your water lines don’t freeze, or a host of other problems.
So, if you have electricity you don’t need propane and if you don’t have electricity you can use wood.
Wood is not just used in stoves nowadays, there’s ovens that can heat a central heating system. I don’t know (or care) where you live, but I know people in Canada that use wood to heat their house in winter. They have an electric (induction) stove and get water from their own well. It seems to me that you’re the one who’s ignorant of what’s possible.
Do you not comprehend just how much electricity you would need to heat a house without gas? You would need wide swaths of land for the solar panels, and massive batteries to store it. Thats not feasible in the mountains.
Jesus Christ you’re talking about cabins still, not homes that people live in 24/7.
The mountains are a 2 hour drive from my major city. Lots of people live there and drive into the city daily for work. You can’t leave a wood burning heating system (stove or anything else, but of course you would fixate on the detail….), while you’re gone for 12 hours. It would burn out, or you would need to a stoke so much wood you’ve created a fire hazard.
Yes it’s possible to live like that, but that’s not the scenario you presented, nor is it feasible for general living as tried to explained multiple times. Also wood burning isn’t hvac, and it sure as hell isn’t “modern hvac” that you specified. So why the hell are you even talking about it?
Bloody fucking ignorant lmfao.
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Jesus Christ you’re ignoring the problem.
A 2000sqft home would need about 25kw of electrical power to heat a home. Thats about 50 panels. And that’s JUST for the electric heat. Do you not understand just HOW much land that is….?
It’s just not feasible lmfao. Where you’re connected to the grid, it’s a non-issue, but that’s not what was being discuss you bloody mook. In most places it’s “more efficient” and “cheaper” if you only account for the cost of the gas or electricity, but not if you include the land or any other factors.
Also, try read your own sources, they don’t even agrees what with you’re trying to argue either.
You’re a fucking ignorant idiot dude.
The link ALSO states it changes to resistive heating if it’s too cold…. So… yeah, it’s not even heat pumping if it gets too cold…
Where I live, it’s a city of over a million, it can regularly get down to -40c, and we only get 7:30 hours of sunlight during the shortest days. The amount of panels and batteries you would need to survive the night is quite a bit more than you’re imagining I think.
The system can’t work for everyone, I don’t think the other user was saying everyone needs it, just there will always be a usecase. Colder remote places without lots of sun, that aren’t able to connect to the grid sounds like that usecase.
Obviously if you’re grid connected, heat pumps are the way to go, but ignoring an entire portion of people who it isn’t feasible for is just wild.
Your article also only talks about -10c…. That’s… not that cold dude.