So… here my whole thing… these “anarchists” you’re talking about just… don’t exist. This is a strawman, meant to make tankies continue to feel superior to everyone else. Punching “down” so to speak. I don’t get it. The left SHOULD be about cooperation. The left SHOULD be about well-being for all. But tankies don’t seem to give a shit about that. They just want to punch “down”. That’s all I ever see from tankies. I never see them out helping anyone. I never see them doing anything but being terminally online in their enclaves and sending pig poop pics to people and banning people from their enclaves for actually trying to have a serious conversation. That’s literally, like, it.
Anarchist: Great, let’s burn down parliament tonight and do communism tomorrow!
ML: That’s stupid, we can’t have communism now! We need to coup parliament and then have 100 years of socialism with slow moderate reforms towards communism.
Anarchist: I think we can just do communism now, though.
ML: Well look who’s a liberal wrecker, trying to destroy our movement. Did the CIA send you?
So… here my whole thing… this “Linux” you’re talking about just… don’t exist. This is a strawman, meant to make users continue to feel superior to GNU+Linux users. Punching “down” so to speak. I don’t get it. Linux SHOULD be about cooperation. Linux SHOULD be about well-being for all. But users don’t seem to give a shit about that. They just want to punch “down”. That’s all I ever see from users. I never see them out helping anyone. I never see them doing anything but being terminally online in their enclaves and sending pig poop pics to people and banning people from their enclaves for actually trying to have a serious conversation. That’s literally, like, it.
I’m just a passerby, and I’m not going to do any reading lists or arguments or whatever I’m just going to point something out.
There’s someone in this thread who said this (I have no desire to throw shade at this person, we’d probably be best friends IRL):
It becomes easier when humans don’t have the toil of physically moving the packages. My husband would build and program the robots right now if I let him. (Too afraid that he’ll overthrow society before the 4 thieves vinegar collective publishes the recipes for the medications that I need to survive)
And I struggle to understand where the microchips will come from. I’d love to live in a world where a global supply chain arises that allows precision manufacturing in an anarchist way. I also wish pokemon were real and ethically possible.
That’s what this meme is about. Anarchist robots. Honestly I think typing this is probably a waste of time, just kind of an explanation of a joke that some people are trying to not understand.
And I struggle to understand where the microchips will come from
This. I love anarchism in theory, but some things can only be made with huge organized supply chains and microscopic manufacturing tolerances. They just fundamentally require an organizational hierarchy that looks very un-anarchic.
I think the misunderstanding comes from conflating anarchism with anarchy. It’s the systems of control, coercion and hierarchies that people would do away with, not knowledge, machinery or the ability to organise things.
I totally get that, but I struggle to imagine a community choosing to (destructively, there’s few ways to do it) mine their nearby environment for rare metals so some other community can ship it to another community that has a massive cleanroom industrial floor in a horizontal hierarchy. It doesn’t seem achievable, and I am someone who has organized my own local folks for collective purposes.
I agree that it’s hard to imagine. To me, it’s more of a true north than something that could be achieved in the next 100 years. It’s more of a save yourself thing anyway. No ones coming to save us.
People do kind things for each other. Exchange can still exist and people will have a lot more time of their hands to help their neighbours, near and far, if they’re not being exploited all day. Things will have to be done and not everyone will want to farm their own food.
No one’s going to see it if they’re looking for it through the lenses of our current system in the same way people a few hundred years ago wouldn’t be able to imagine large scale building projects without an army of slaves.
And you are documenting them while they do it? I’d like to share an analogy with you:
I cant stand 2 things:
The Kardashians
People who spend their entire lives loudly telling everyone they hate the Kardashians.
I hope the analogy is clear without leaving me open to being called a tankie by some politically illiterate neckbeard. Not specifically knocking you Guy Dudeman, I’m just making a point about the tankies and the tankie haters as they appear from the outside. It is rampant, and extremely fucking tiring.
So… here my whole thing… these “anarchists” you’re talking about just… don’t exist. This is a strawman, meant to make tankies continue to feel superior to everyone else. Punching “down” so to speak. I don’t get it. The left SHOULD be about cooperation. The left SHOULD be about well-being for all. But tankies don’t seem to give a shit about that. They just want to punch “down”. That’s all I ever see from tankies. I never see them out helping anyone. I never see them doing anything but being terminally online in their enclaves and sending pig poop pics to people and banning people from their enclaves for actually trying to have a serious conversation. That’s literally, like, it.
That is because tankies are not leftists, they are authoritarian simps larping as leftists.
MLs love to talk about how anarchism can never work in the same way that libs love to talk about how communism can never work.
Anarchist: I want to have a communist revolution
ML: Me too!
Anarchist: Great, let’s burn down parliament tonight and do communism tomorrow!
ML: That’s stupid, we can’t have communism now! We need to coup parliament and then have 100 years of socialism with slow moderate reforms towards communism.
Anarchist: I think we can just do communism now, though.
ML: Well look who’s a liberal wrecker, trying to destroy our movement. Did the CIA send you?
Exactly.
So… here my whole thing… this “Linux” you’re talking about just… don’t exist. This is a strawman, meant to make users continue to feel superior to GNU+Linux users. Punching “down” so to speak. I don’t get it. Linux SHOULD be about cooperation. Linux SHOULD be about well-being for all. But users don’t seem to give a shit about that. They just want to punch “down”. That’s all I ever see from users. I never see them out helping anyone. I never see them doing anything but being terminally online in their enclaves and sending pig poop pics to people and banning people from their enclaves for actually trying to have a serious conversation. That’s literally, like, it.
… what?
Don’t mind me. I don’t have an opinion on your message, but I really enjoy the form and saw an artistic opportunity.
Shit - Now I’m gonna become a copypasta.
Please - enlighten me! :) (or are you gonna say “it’s not my job to educate you!”?? lol)
or, if you’re too lazy to click a link, here’s the content of the link:
I’m just a passerby, and I’m not going to do any reading lists or arguments or whatever I’m just going to point something out.
There’s someone in this thread who said this (I have no desire to throw shade at this person, we’d probably be best friends IRL):
And I struggle to understand where the microchips will come from. I’d love to live in a world where a global supply chain arises that allows precision manufacturing in an anarchist way. I also wish pokemon were real and ethically possible.
That’s what this meme is about. Anarchist robots. Honestly I think typing this is probably a waste of time, just kind of an explanation of a joke that some people are trying to not understand.
This. I love anarchism in theory, but some things can only be made with huge organized supply chains and microscopic manufacturing tolerances. They just fundamentally require an organizational hierarchy that looks very un-anarchic.
I think the misunderstanding comes from conflating anarchism with anarchy. It’s the systems of control, coercion and hierarchies that people would do away with, not knowledge, machinery or the ability to organise things.
I totally get that, but I struggle to imagine a community choosing to (destructively, there’s few ways to do it) mine their nearby environment for rare metals so some other community can ship it to another community that has a massive cleanroom industrial floor in a horizontal hierarchy. It doesn’t seem achievable, and I am someone who has organized my own local folks for collective purposes.
How would you classify your political position in the nomenclature of our times?
What are u, a fed?
(/s)
Some sort of Marxist. Hard to be a Marxist alone so its all whatever honestly.
I agree that it’s hard to imagine. To me, it’s more of a true north than something that could be achieved in the next 100 years. It’s more of a save yourself thing anyway. No ones coming to save us.
People do kind things for each other. Exchange can still exist and people will have a lot more time of their hands to help their neighbours, near and far, if they’re not being exploited all day. Things will have to be done and not everyone will want to farm their own food.
No one’s going to see it if they’re looking for it through the lenses of our current system in the same way people a few hundred years ago wouldn’t be able to imagine large scale building projects without an army of slaves.
Getting a lot of “I’m in this meme and I don’t like it” energy over here.
They just need their grain hopper filled and a scritching behind their ears.
Are… are the tankies in the room with us right now?
I mean… you’re on Lemmy.
If you didn’t want tankies you’re in the wrong shitshow.
Somehow they are all confined to servers with an ml extension. They built their gilded cage for themselves funnily enough.
Fine, you don’t like the term “tankie”… ML’s if that’s better.
You can use whatever scary term you want for the phantoms who you hold responsible for all the problems in your life.
MLs literally don’t affect my life at all. That’s the problem. They don’t do anything except hang out online and make fun of the libs.
And you are documenting them while they do it? I’d like to share an analogy with you:
I cant stand 2 things:
I hope the analogy is clear without leaving me open to being called a tankie by some politically illiterate neckbeard. Not specifically knocking you Guy Dudeman, I’m just making a point about the tankies and the tankie haters as they appear from the outside. It is rampant, and extremely fucking tiring.
Believe me… I’m with you. I wish everyone could just get along and cooperate.
Unbridled evil is when the joke is obvious
Live a little, without humor you miss out on a lot in life