Okay so this guy went to some random forest and cut trees. Then someone emerges and says “hey, that’s my forest, you’re cutting my trees”, to which the initial guy responds with “I don’t see your name on 'em”. Now what? Who resolves this dispute? The only point you’ve made is that you haven’t thought your favored ideology through. It doesn’t count as enforcement if it’s your favored system because only the bad systems require enforcement in your eyes? A hypothetical doesn’t work when it falls apart at the most basic level.
No, just seem to be willing to participate in a thought experiment that could contradict your worldview. That’s fine, I’ll just leave you alone now. Have a good one
You weren’t willing to answer basic questions about your own thought experiment because those simple questions challenged your worldview. I’ve been trying to participate this whole time and it’s just made you angry. Do you think participation is just people agreeing with you?
Okay so I just re read our exchange to see if I could see where you were coming from and oh man lol. Like, I do, but before I get to that, I really want you to understand how this exchange went from my perspective. I set up a hypothetical story set in genuine anarchy, and you called the premise of the hypothetical a fallacy. As if it’s a fallacy to set up a hypothetical scenario. The point of the story was that taking ownership of something privately does not need enforcement to happen, nothing else. I explicitly said so. Part of the reason I described it as genuine anarchy was because I thought that would be pretty clearly allegorical. It seems like you took it to be an advocation for genuine anarchy in spite of this
Also, the questions you asked were not about the narrative or genuinely engaging. It was 3 in a row about anything you could think of relating to the wood specifically, and acted as if it was hand waving to have not preemptively answered them. That’s why I called it cheating and lazy, you could just pick any word I wrote and do that. Why would you expect me to think any of those questions were asked in good faith or leading to anything engaging when you ask them like that?
Then, after I tried clarifying it was a hypothetical you asked several more hyper specific questions and again unfairly called it hand waving for having not already answered them, calling them crucial, and saying it’s my fantasy, again implying you think I’m advocating for the world I set my story in. Hoping I might be wrong about that and that you’d respond in good faith, I did answer your questions! I even tried clarifying more explicitly that I’m not saying the story I set up is an ideal world.
Instead of engaging with any of my answers, you asked more hyper specific questions about the lore of the world I set up, call it my “favored system”, and then you tell me the world in my story was flawed. You literally explicitly say you think I’m in favor of this world immediately after I explicitly told you I wasn’t lol. Honestly, you’ve just been unpleasant and disagreeable as a whole. You repeatedly misinterpret what I’m saying in a way that I honestly can’t tell is willful or not, while simultaneously implying I’m stupid. If you’re really look at how you were talking to me right out the gate, can you honestly be surprised no fruitful conversation came of it?
Anyways, I can see why you’d say the same about me just saying what you said was cheating and lazy instead of being clearer about what I was thinking. Sorry about telling you your questions were frustrating because in hindsight that wasn’t the issue.
In fact, there’s fruitful conversation to be had about the protection of ones property which you were getting at when you mentioned the enforcement that would be required. It’s just, when you are clearly insisting on pinning me as the defender of anarchy when I have made it clear I am not, that conversation doesn’t really get anywhere good either.
And I’m sorry for the long comment lol hope ya actually read it. I guess it doesn’t matter really, you can let me know what you think if you want but I’ve kinda said my piece so, again, have a good one.
Okay so this guy went to some random forest and cut trees. Then someone emerges and says “hey, that’s my forest, you’re cutting my trees”, to which the initial guy responds with “I don’t see your name on 'em”. Now what? Who resolves this dispute? The only point you’ve made is that you haven’t thought your favored ideology through. It doesn’t count as enforcement if it’s your favored system because only the bad systems require enforcement in your eyes? A hypothetical doesn’t work when it falls apart at the most basic level.
No, just seem to be willing to participate in a thought experiment that could contradict your worldview. That’s fine, I’ll just leave you alone now. Have a good one
You weren’t willing to answer basic questions about your own thought experiment because those simple questions challenged your worldview. I’ve been trying to participate this whole time and it’s just made you angry. Do you think participation is just people agreeing with you?
Okay so I just re read our exchange to see if I could see where you were coming from and oh man lol. Like, I do, but before I get to that, I really want you to understand how this exchange went from my perspective. I set up a hypothetical story set in genuine anarchy, and you called the premise of the hypothetical a fallacy. As if it’s a fallacy to set up a hypothetical scenario. The point of the story was that taking ownership of something privately does not need enforcement to happen, nothing else. I explicitly said so. Part of the reason I described it as genuine anarchy was because I thought that would be pretty clearly allegorical. It seems like you took it to be an advocation for genuine anarchy in spite of this
Also, the questions you asked were not about the narrative or genuinely engaging. It was 3 in a row about anything you could think of relating to the wood specifically, and acted as if it was hand waving to have not preemptively answered them. That’s why I called it cheating and lazy, you could just pick any word I wrote and do that. Why would you expect me to think any of those questions were asked in good faith or leading to anything engaging when you ask them like that?
Then, after I tried clarifying it was a hypothetical you asked several more hyper specific questions and again unfairly called it hand waving for having not already answered them, calling them crucial, and saying it’s my fantasy, again implying you think I’m advocating for the world I set my story in. Hoping I might be wrong about that and that you’d respond in good faith, I did answer your questions! I even tried clarifying more explicitly that I’m not saying the story I set up is an ideal world.
Instead of engaging with any of my answers, you asked more hyper specific questions about the lore of the world I set up, call it my “favored system”, and then you tell me the world in my story was flawed. You literally explicitly say you think I’m in favor of this world immediately after I explicitly told you I wasn’t lol. Honestly, you’ve just been unpleasant and disagreeable as a whole. You repeatedly misinterpret what I’m saying in a way that I honestly can’t tell is willful or not, while simultaneously implying I’m stupid. If you’re really look at how you were talking to me right out the gate, can you honestly be surprised no fruitful conversation came of it?
Anyways, I can see why you’d say the same about me just saying what you said was cheating and lazy instead of being clearer about what I was thinking. Sorry about telling you your questions were frustrating because in hindsight that wasn’t the issue.
In fact, there’s fruitful conversation to be had about the protection of ones property which you were getting at when you mentioned the enforcement that would be required. It’s just, when you are clearly insisting on pinning me as the defender of anarchy when I have made it clear I am not, that conversation doesn’t really get anywhere good either.
And I’m sorry for the long comment lol hope ya actually read it. I guess it doesn’t matter really, you can let me know what you think if you want but I’ve kinda said my piece so, again, have a good one.