I don’t think anyone ever brought up drag queens being behind it, OP’s just using a word that has evolved in meaning. Much like how words like “stupid”, “moron”, etc went from official terms to refer to the mentally disabled, to slurs, to regular insults.
Nazis targeted people for sexual degeneracy before they went after the Jews. I was simply pointing out that most CP posting hackers are in fact, Nazis themselves and the title is using Nazi terminology to place blame on degenerates.
I don’t think paedophilla really has a place on the political spectrum. Stop labelling everything you’re against as Nazi. It’s not giving you the clarity to think about what you’re fighting against.
I like how you twisted my words to imply that I support pedophilia in your disingenuous response. It really shows that you’re a committed sack of shit, and by extension it shows your allegiance.
I realise this is nearly a week old, but I don’t come back very often.
I assumed you were against paedophilla. I assumed you were against Nazis. I did not twist your words to say any different. What I said was that the two are not the same, even if you hate both.
Conflating the two just muddies the waters. Fighting nazis won’t solve paedophilla, and fighting paedophilla won’t solve Nazism.
Sounds like you’re the committed sack of shit, you disingenuous “degenerate”. People like you are what’s wrong with the world and why I enlisted. Yet another reason I won’t hesitate when the order is given to set 1SQ for nuclear launch. Hooyah America.
“Degenerate” is a word that has been used by many people in many contexts both before and after nazis were in power. It’s the privative prefix “de-” + the latin root for creation/birth. Broadly speaking, it just means someone or something altered over time in a way that they no longer function properly. I see how it can be used in a way that aligns with nazi ideology, but that’s not all it can be used for, or how it’s used here.
Degeneracy is the core ideology behind every genocide. You accuse me of not understanding language shift. I say you don’t understand the overton window.
This is like saying “Everyone who’s ever called for genocide described their targets as bad people, therefore calling someone a bad person is genocidal ideology”.
The word “degenerate”:
Doesn’t originate in genocidal ideology
Doesn’t have an intrinsically genocidal meaning
Has continuously been used in non-political contexts.
If we keep banning every word of the dictionary that a nazi has ever used, fascists will end up the only ones able to talk…
This is like saying “Everyone who’s ever called for genocide described their targets as bas people, therefore calling someone a bad person is genocidal ideology”.
It’s not like that at all. I am bringing awareness to the ideology behind the word. As soon as you start declaring a class of people degenerate, you begin enacting a genocide. Are you delusional enough to think this happens all at once? The authorities labelling normality and degeneracy are in the process of culling outliers who don’t feel comfortable under their authority.
I didn’t say we should ban it. I posted so that it could be used more accurately. The only degenerates are the fascists. They’ve programmed themselves into blind obedience. They will Not-See anything they’re told.
Degeneracy is the core ideology behind every genocide.
Damn, I didn’t think I’d learn something new today, but as it turns out, the Ottoman genocide of the Armenians, Assyrians and Greeks and the historical Chinese genocide of the Dzungar and the more recent genocide of the Uyghur people were because they were thought to be degenerates by the ruling National Socialist parties.
And here I was thinking ‘Nazi’ specifically referred to the Nazi Party members and modern white supremacists who support it, and not every nationalistic faction that has ever committed crimes against humanity.
You may not realise it, but you water down the word Nazi when you brandish it so casually. When you go around saying everything is Nazi ideology, people won’t listen when something actually is.
You may not realize it, but when you split hairs you draw imaginary distinctions in what amounts to a hierarchy of worship to power that results in the violent enforcement of a culture from the top.
EVERY SINGLE HIERARCHY THAT USES VIOLENCE TO MAINTAIN ITSELF IS INHERENTLY FASCISTIC AND GENOCIDAL
Fascism is a specific ideology, it has overlaps with other violent and repressive ideologies but that doesn’t make all authoritarian regimes fascists.
Why are you trying to be so reductionist? Why can’t we have different words to describe different things? There’s a reason we don’t call every dictatorship fascist, and part of it is that it’s not useful to label everything with the same word.
The authority to murder in the name of the state is the core of all fascist ideologies. I’m not being reductionist, the various authorities that arise obfuscate their similarities with propaganda.
I dont understand why this post is downvoted so much. It is calling the people who undermine Lemmy with CP Nazis (which they probably are) and points out some historical context of a specific term. I thought Lemmy would be up for that.
There’s a strong right wing element in the Lemmy comment section, especially in places where abusive behavior can be disguised as comedy or virtue signaling. I don’t care about the votes. If they hate me, I’m still in their heads.
If you don’t want the word degeneracy associated with scientific racism you’re going to need a time machine to the 1700s, because the idea of social degeneracy started then. This was the first stepping stone to eugenics as practiced by the United States against minorities, which in turn was the foundation for Nazi race “science.” There is a straight line through those points that are all united by the idea of degeneracy.
If you want words to mean things then you can’t ignore their history.
Do you seriously think there is a large right-wing presence on Lemmy?
I mean, just look at almost any comment section on this site and you’ll see leftist ideology is far more popular here. And the proliferation of .ml domains to represent Marxist-Leninism.
Not making a comment on which political ideology is better or anything, just pointing out that Lemmy is pretty left.
You referenced the Nazi term, “degenerate.” Most of the time the people behind these attacks are very much aligned with Nazi ideology.
You are dumb.
It’s never a drag queen, it’s always an authority.
I don’t think anyone ever brought up drag queens being behind it, OP’s just using a word that has evolved in meaning. Much like how words like “stupid”, “moron”, etc went from official terms to refer to the mentally disabled, to slurs, to regular insults.
Nazis targeted people for sexual degeneracy before they went after the Jews. I was simply pointing out that most CP posting hackers are in fact, Nazis themselves and the title is using Nazi terminology to place blame on degenerates.
Well, it doesn’t appear that you have learned the concept of language shift.
Degeneracy is always a Nazi ideology.
I don’t think paedophilla really has a place on the political spectrum. Stop labelling everything you’re against as Nazi. It’s not giving you the clarity to think about what you’re fighting against.
I like how you twisted my words to imply that I support pedophilia in your disingenuous response. It really shows that you’re a committed sack of shit, and by extension it shows your allegiance.
I realise this is nearly a week old, but I don’t come back very often.
I assumed you were against paedophilla. I assumed you were against Nazis. I did not twist your words to say any different. What I said was that the two are not the same, even if you hate both.
Conflating the two just muddies the waters. Fighting nazis won’t solve paedophilla, and fighting paedophilla won’t solve Nazism.
Sounds like you’re the committed sack of shit, you disingenuous “degenerate”. People like you are what’s wrong with the world and why I enlisted. Yet another reason I won’t hesitate when the order is given to set 1SQ for nuclear launch. Hooyah America.
You’re talking to an Iraq War veteran, boot. Enjoy being cannon fodder for the rich! They own you for 4-8 years.
“Degenerate” is a word that has been used by many people in many contexts both before and after nazis were in power. It’s the privative prefix “de-” + the latin root for creation/birth. Broadly speaking, it just means someone or something altered over time in a way that they no longer function properly. I see how it can be used in a way that aligns with nazi ideology, but that’s not all it can be used for, or how it’s used here.
Degeneracy is the core ideology behind every genocide. You accuse me of not understanding language shift. I say you don’t understand the overton window.
This is like saying “Everyone who’s ever called for genocide described their targets as bad people, therefore calling someone a bad person is genocidal ideology”. The word “degenerate”:
If we keep banning every word of the dictionary that a nazi has ever used, fascists will end up the only ones able to talk…
It’s not like that at all. I am bringing awareness to the ideology behind the word. As soon as you start declaring a class of people degenerate, you begin enacting a genocide. Are you delusional enough to think this happens all at once? The authorities labelling normality and degeneracy are in the process of culling outliers who don’t feel comfortable under their authority.
I didn’t say we should ban it. I posted so that it could be used more accurately. The only degenerates are the fascists. They’ve programmed themselves into blind obedience. They will Not-See anything they’re told.
Damn, I didn’t think I’d learn something new today, but as it turns out, the Ottoman genocide of the Armenians, Assyrians and Greeks and the historical Chinese genocide of the Dzungar and the more recent genocide of the Uyghur people were because they were thought to be degenerates by the ruling National Socialist parties.
And here I was thinking ‘Nazi’ specifically referred to the Nazi Party members and modern white supremacists who support it, and not every nationalistic faction that has ever committed crimes against humanity.
You may not realise it, but you water down the word Nazi when you brandish it so casually. When you go around saying everything is Nazi ideology, people won’t listen when something actually is.
You may not realize it, but when you split hairs you draw imaginary distinctions in what amounts to a hierarchy of worship to power that results in the violent enforcement of a culture from the top.
EVERY SINGLE HIERARCHY THAT USES VIOLENCE TO MAINTAIN ITSELF IS INHERENTLY FASCISTIC AND GENOCIDAL
That is so dumb.
Fascism is a specific ideology, it has overlaps with other violent and repressive ideologies but that doesn’t make all authoritarian regimes fascists.
Why are you trying to be so reductionist? Why can’t we have different words to describe different things? There’s a reason we don’t call every dictatorship fascist, and part of it is that it’s not useful to label everything with the same word.
The authority to murder in the name of the state is the core of all fascist ideologies. I’m not being reductionist, the various authorities that arise obfuscate their similarities with propaganda.
Guys, I think this is a troll account. Probably from the same bad actors that caused the original issue OP is complaining about.
Illegal images didn’t work, so they took the “talk about Nazis” approach.
I think you’re the child molesting Nazi, how about that?
We can all just say whatever the fuck we want without any proof or cause!
Would you like a hug?
I’d like all Nazi punks to fuck off to hell where they came from.
I dont understand why this post is downvoted so much. It is calling the people who undermine Lemmy with CP Nazis (which they probably are) and points out some historical context of a specific term. I thought Lemmy would be up for that.
There’s a strong right wing element in the Lemmy comment section, especially in places where abusive behavior can be disguised as comedy or virtue signaling. I don’t care about the votes. If they hate me, I’m still in their heads.
No, there’s a lot of people who don’t want their language destroyed by people saying everything is a dog whistle.
Degenerate isn’t a Nazi term. It’s an insult, and insults are useful.
If you don’t want the word degeneracy associated with scientific racism you’re going to need a time machine to the 1700s, because the idea of social degeneracy started then. This was the first stepping stone to eugenics as practiced by the United States against minorities, which in turn was the foundation for Nazi race “science.” There is a straight line through those points that are all united by the idea of degeneracy.
If you want words to mean things then you can’t ignore their history.
Degeneracy is a core tenant of Nazi ideology. I didn’t invent this. You’re arguing from ignorance.
Do you seriously think there is a large right-wing presence on Lemmy?
I mean, just look at almost any comment section on this site and you’ll see leftist ideology is far more popular here. And the proliferation of .ml domains to represent Marxist-Leninism.
Not making a comment on which political ideology is better or anything, just pointing out that Lemmy is pretty left.
I know what I see here. Your lack of perception only speaks to the severity of their infiltration. You’re a fish who doesn’t know he’s wet.
I agree. This word is almost exclusively used by Nazis now. Let’s not use that word to refer to people, no matter how bad the things they do.