The 10-week trial, set to begin Tuesday, amps up efforts to rein in Big Tech by targeting the core search business that turned Google into a $1.7 trillion behemoth.
Because Google owns everything. The internet backbones, the search engine of billions of people, the analytics of most companies, the map application most people use, the YouTube streaming service, the phones of most people etc etc.
Apple is almost irrelevant in the context. They sell phones and computers. Not much else.
With the exception of YouTube, every product you mentioned is hard coded default to Apple provided services.
Something like 40% of all maps usage is Apple maps. There does not exist a browser other than Safari and the market share of iPhones vs Android is pretty fairly split along socioeconomic boundaries.
Yes Google is the bigger target but the software ecosystem is significantly less walled garden / monopoly than the apple ecosystem.
Google doesn’t own the Internet, Amazon does (10% Google, 20% Microsoft, 30% Amazon). Do people seriously not know this?
Funny but if you think offering cloud services is the same as owning the internet, it’s not really the same.
There are internet backbone cables going under the seas, global name servers, etc, that keeps the actual network up and alive. The people paying for those are the ones who owns the internet.
As much as i hate Apple, you can choose to not use Apple products. if you access any website there’s a huge chance you’re interacting with Google. captcha, ads/tracking, sign in auth, search.
they are currently pushing Web standards that would drive business to their ad platforms and could deny access to web sites if your browser doesn’t support their standard. why can they push these standards? because most Internet access is done through Chrome and web sites want users to access their site.
My point is they are both bad. Google doesn’t force you to use its products. Other people choose to use them which results in you using them. Apple somehow never gets sued for more egregious versions of the same thing Google gets sued for is my point. It’s an obvious double standard.
if you use the Internet as in open a web page you are absolutely being forced to use Google’s products. You just don’t realize it because they are not tangible things you physically use, they’re API calls to make the websites you’re using work.
Other people choose to use them which results in you using them.
because so many people use chrome, they are able to define web standards that feed back into their ad serving platform. What this means is that even if you use Firefox or Safari you may not be able to access websites if those browsers do not support web standards that support Google’s main product, ad serving.
yes apple is bad but i don’t think many people grasp how deep Google’s roots go. everyone using the Internet has a profile in Google somewhere without really knowing or agreeing to it.
This is simply false. Google is in a lot of places. But it isn’t Google forcing 3rd party sites to use Google.
Yes AdSense is terrible. The tracking it does is insane… but Google doesn’t come to other websites and say “you must use me!” There aren’t laws requiring its use.
Companies use Google because it makes them money and it’s easy.
Apple does the same shit that chrome does but they don’t make standards. They make inscrutable shit that people have to reverse engineer or pay for to be able to interact with apples market share.
You talk about how other browsers have to support the standard that Google sets… yes, that happens. Chrome also implements standards others make. Chrome also ports standards to other browsers (especially webkit).
People act like Google always gets it’s way… when it just doesn’t. Google fails at so many things constantly…
The fact that people don’t understand that amazon has more than 3x the influence that Google does in Internet infrastructure… or that Facebook analytics is used nearly 2x more than Google’s or that many of Google web standards that were proposed over the past 10 years have been superseded by open source or secondary solutions not proposed by Google and that Google had to implement them…
My point isn’t that Google isn’t pervasive or that Google isn’t intrusive. My point is that it is hypocrisy to not also sue Apple for the same things… and that hypocrisy is telling.
This is simply false. Google is in a lot of places. But it isn’t Google forcing 3rd party sites to use Google.
it’s the choice of a company not of the end user, which I feel is a more apt comparison to Apple. None of these products are being forced to use but when you look at the current state of things, the companies choose to use Google/Facebook because it makes them money. From a user standpoint there’s not a lot you can do to avoid them if you want to use the Internet.
I think we both agree these companies are monopolies and need to be broken up, but you have to start somewhere. imo Google+Amazon are the biggest threats to consumers followed by meta, apple and Microsoft.
I’m in this really weird situation where I think fundamentally we do agree, but you keep saying things that I think are factually incorrect.
3rd parties don’t force apple services on you like they do with Google (although it is becoming more common)… Apple forces 3rd parties to pay for the right to advertise or sell to its market share.
Apple is significantly more monopolistic than Google. Google is just bigger. Google has way less monopolistic actions and stances. It’s just apparent that people don’t understand the difference.
Because Google owns everything. The internet backbones, the search engine of billions of people, the analytics of most companies, the map application most people use, the YouTube streaming service, the phones of most people etc etc.
Apple is almost irrelevant in the context. They sell phones and computers. Not much else.
Wait what? You don’t use Apple products do you?
With the exception of YouTube, every product you mentioned is hard coded default to Apple provided services.
Something like 40% of all maps usage is Apple maps. There does not exist a browser other than Safari and the market share of iPhones vs Android is pretty fairly split along socioeconomic boundaries.
Yes Google is the bigger target but the software ecosystem is significantly less walled garden / monopoly than the apple ecosystem.
Google doesn’t own the Internet, Amazon does (10% Google, 20% Microsoft, 30% Amazon). Do people seriously not know this?
Amazon owns most of the internet? Yeah didn’t know. Where can I read more about this?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_Web_Services
Funny but if you think offering cloud services is the same as owning the internet, it’s not really the same.
There are internet backbone cables going under the seas, global name servers, etc, that keeps the actual network up and alive. The people paying for those are the ones who owns the internet.
Like Amazon does?
As much as i hate Apple, you can choose to not use Apple products. if you access any website there’s a huge chance you’re interacting with Google. captcha, ads/tracking, sign in auth, search.
they are currently pushing Web standards that would drive business to their ad platforms and could deny access to web sites if your browser doesn’t support their standard. why can they push these standards? because most Internet access is done through Chrome and web sites want users to access their site.
My point is they are both bad. Google doesn’t force you to use its products. Other people choose to use them which results in you using them. Apple somehow never gets sued for more egregious versions of the same thing Google gets sued for is my point. It’s an obvious double standard.
if you use the Internet as in open a web page you are absolutely being forced to use Google’s products. You just don’t realize it because they are not tangible things you physically use, they’re API calls to make the websites you’re using work.
because so many people use chrome, they are able to define web standards that feed back into their ad serving platform. What this means is that even if you use Firefox or Safari you may not be able to access websites if those browsers do not support web standards that support Google’s main product, ad serving.
yes apple is bad but i don’t think many people grasp how deep Google’s roots go. everyone using the Internet has a profile in Google somewhere without really knowing or agreeing to it.
What?
This is simply false. Google is in a lot of places. But it isn’t Google forcing 3rd party sites to use Google.
Yes AdSense is terrible. The tracking it does is insane… but Google doesn’t come to other websites and say “you must use me!” There aren’t laws requiring its use.
Companies use Google because it makes them money and it’s easy.
Apple does the same shit that chrome does but they don’t make standards. They make inscrutable shit that people have to reverse engineer or pay for to be able to interact with apples market share.
You talk about how other browsers have to support the standard that Google sets… yes, that happens. Chrome also implements standards others make. Chrome also ports standards to other browsers (especially webkit).
People act like Google always gets it’s way… when it just doesn’t. Google fails at so many things constantly…
The fact that people don’t understand that amazon has more than 3x the influence that Google does in Internet infrastructure… or that Facebook analytics is used nearly 2x more than Google’s or that many of Google web standards that were proposed over the past 10 years have been superseded by open source or secondary solutions not proposed by Google and that Google had to implement them…
My point isn’t that Google isn’t pervasive or that Google isn’t intrusive. My point is that it is hypocrisy to not also sue Apple for the same things… and that hypocrisy is telling.
it’s the choice of a company not of the end user, which I feel is a more apt comparison to Apple. None of these products are being forced to use but when you look at the current state of things, the companies choose to use Google/Facebook because it makes them money. From a user standpoint there’s not a lot you can do to avoid them if you want to use the Internet.
I think we both agree these companies are monopolies and need to be broken up, but you have to start somewhere. imo Google+Amazon are the biggest threats to consumers followed by meta, apple and Microsoft.
I’m in this really weird situation where I think fundamentally we do agree, but you keep saying things that I think are factually incorrect.
3rd parties don’t force apple services on you like they do with Google (although it is becoming more common)… Apple forces 3rd parties to pay for the right to advertise or sell to its market share.
Apple is significantly more monopolistic than Google. Google is just bigger. Google has way less monopolistic actions and stances. It’s just apparent that people don’t understand the difference.