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Tyson Foods and the federal government refuse to show their math for a new sustainability label.

Tyson Foods and the federal government refuse to show their math for a new sustainability label.

  • @SCB
    0•1 year ago

    You’re sharing the same article I’m quoting from, which is making a stupid argument.

    If you want to fight climate change, you must understand that aggregate demand is the driver of climate change. Companies don’t get rich by fucking up the planet. Companies get rich by selling people shit. The shit they sell is fucking up the planet. Cut the demand and you lessen the fuckening.

    The way forward is by tackling aggregate demand, ideally through carbon taxes and investment/subsidies in green technologies.

    I am a literal climate lobbyist, and this is the angle actual people involved in fighting climate change work from.

    • @alienanimals
      4•1 year ago

      I’m a climate scientist and a sociologist. If you think that we can get everyone on the same page about giving up their personal liberties and small pleasures (like eating meat) so the rich can continue to exploit the problem further for their own profit, we’ve already lost.

      The only path forward is to jail the corporate executives and rich assholes causing the lion’s share of the issue, but instead we get bootlickers arguing for an impossible goal of herding a bunch of cats to stop doing something they love to make up for problems mostly caused by the richest 10%.

      • @SCB
        -3•1 year ago

        If you think that we can get everyone on the same page

        I literally say the opposite of this

        The only path forward is to jail the corporate executives and rich assholes causing the lion’s share of the issue

        In addition to being completely unhinged, this does not address demand at all and someone else will simply start selling those fuels and products/services

        You’re either lying or terrible at your job.

        • @alienanimals
          3•1 year ago

          I can see you’re having trouble understanding basic logic. Let me explain it to you this way:

          If I started a business throwing used motor oil into the ocean, I could charge people next to nothing to take their oil. I would make huge profits by destroying our planet. Your strategy would be to convince all the poor people in America not to use the cheapest option to dispose of their oil. Many Americans don’t have a choice between using an expensive “good for the Earth” option and my business that throws it into ocean for cheap.

          You lack an understanding of the people you’re trying to coordinate. Many Americans lack the time and the money to correctly choose the most environmentally friendly option. You will never get everyone on the same page. The only path forward is to punish the rich assholes actually causing the lion’s share of the problem.

          • @SCB
            -2•1 year ago

            This is an idiotic counter-factual.

            The reality is, fossil fuels companies are constantly listed as “top contributors” because they fucking sell fossil fuels.

            Until we remove the present need for fossil fuels by disincentivizing them in favor of green technology, then we will continue on this path. Fossil fuels aren’t burnt for fun. They are used to power homes, transportation, etc. That’s what we need to tackle.

            I understand it is attractive to have a “villain” to point at. It makes things much easier for you and absolves you of your role. However, this is both non-productive and, ultimately, objectively incorrect.

            You’re correct that voluntary abstinence is not enough to be meaningfully impactful, that’s why we lobby for government subsidies and, ideally, carbon taxation.

            I know you, personally, are a lost cause - you’ll fight anything that will “disadvantage” you. I’m writing this because some lurker will see it and that’ll be one more vote. One vote at a time is how we win.