Last week, Irvine police officers gave the overdose-reversing drug naloxone to a pit bull puppy that they believed might have been exposed to fentanyl.
I’ll try. Two alleged junk boxes were talking to the cops. Fent was discovered, but where and when it was found isn’t discussed. One of the suspects said her dog was ODing, which is hilariously unlikely given how dogs respond to fent. The cops aren’t getting their egos stroked like they used to, so they heroically gave the dog naloxone it almost certainly didn’t need.
The only way this story makes sense is if these people intentionally fed their dog fent trying to get rid of evidence. But given the fact that many precincts aren’t really charging drug offences like they used to, it’s not really clear how much trouble the couple would have been in. And frankly, it seems more likely a fent user would try to hide it so they don’t waste their money and a high.
Unsure of the specific pharmacokinetics behind it but dogs take about 3x mcg per kg dosing compared to humans. A lethal dose of fentanyl for humans is 100-200 micrograms which would theoretically translate to about 600mcg lethal dosage for dogs. Considerably larger than a humans tolerance but still only a few granules of powder would be lethal
which is hilariously unlikely given how dogs respond to fent
What exactly do you mean by this? Dogs respond to fentanyl exactly the same way that humans do…it just takes a larger dose because dogs are less sensitive to it that humans. If a dog is exhibiting signs of fentanyl overdose, all that means is that they’ve ingested a larger dose than would be needed to make a human overdose, and especially if the dog’s owner is already saying it’s happened before with the same dog and they recognize the symptoms in progress.
Considering it only takes a few grains of fentanyl to cause overdose in humans, it’s not far fetched to think a puppy could ingest or inhale that much accidentally, especially if being transported in the same vehicle where there is known fentanyl possession taking place. Keep in mind, the body weight of a puppy is a fraction that of a full grown dog.
Puppies can and will eat anything regardless of whether it’s an actual food item or not.
…it just takes a larger dose because dogs are less sensitive to it that humans.
Ok, so you do get it and you don’t need me to explain. I’m glad you answered your own question.
and especially if the dog’s owner is already saying it’s happened before with the same dog and they recognize the symptoms in progress.
The cops said she said this. And I don’t believe them as a rule when it comes to anything they say about fentanyl. Ask yourself why she would say that to them? Why would she say she has enough in her possession to not only kill a person, but also kill a dog? And then admit it has happened at least once before, opening herself up to animal cruelty charges and possibly charges of intent to distribute?
Ok, so you do get it and you don’t need me to explain
No. Because you made it sound as if dogs react entirely differently and that’s not really the case. I wanted to know what you were trying to imply. Still do.
Ask yourself why she would say that to them?
This is the dumbest question I’ve heard this week. In states where marijuana is still illegal, people get high enough to call 911 and report that someone stole their weed. Who TF knows what goes on in the mind of a fentanyl users and what they do or do not say out loud. Maybe the person cared enough about their dog to risk incriminating themselves - I know I would absolutely risk incriminating myself if it was a life or death situation for one of my own dogs.
I didn’t make it sound like dogs react entirely differently. Dogs require a significantly higher dose to have the same effect. You did seem to get that point, so I think we can move on.
This is the dumbest question I’ve heard this week
Great, ok, so you believe cops are passing out and overdosing from touching baggies with suspected fent in it? Because that’s the shit they’re saying constantly. And if you believe this dog story bullshit, you might as well believe those lies too. The odds that the cops are lying are WAY higher than the odds that two junkies fed their dog fent, left the fent where they dog would have eaten it, or told the cops that the dog ate it.
Let me ask you another question. If the cops found the fent on the suspected junkies, how did the dog also eat it? If they had multiple baggies of it, that’s intent to distribute and we would have read that in the article. Yet, we didn’t.
None of this story makes sense to anybody with even a modicum of knowledge of people that actually use drugs. Be more skeptical in life, it’ll serve you well.
Fentanyl is very poorly absorbed by eating. A dog could sniff it and get it that way, but it would require quite a bit of it and it’s pretty unlikely. Given the priors it’s way more likely that the cops have the Fenty Fainties, and are applying it to a dog that had a seizure under stress or something.
Police have a long and storied track record of acting like fentanyl is toxic on sight. I had one try to stop me from administering cpr because he was worried there could be fentanyl on the patient’s clothes and I might get it on me through my gloves.
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I’ll try. Two alleged junk boxes were talking to the cops. Fent was discovered, but where and when it was found isn’t discussed. One of the suspects said her dog was ODing, which is hilariously unlikely given how dogs respond to fent. The cops aren’t getting their egos stroked like they used to, so they heroically gave the dog naloxone it almost certainly didn’t need.
The only way this story makes sense is if these people intentionally fed their dog fent trying to get rid of evidence. But given the fact that many precincts aren’t really charging drug offences like they used to, it’s not really clear how much trouble the couple would have been in. And frankly, it seems more likely a fent user would try to hide it so they don’t waste their money and a high.
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They are animals, but I don’t think it’s abuse to lie to them.
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Sorry pup, not gonna lie. you were a bad doggie.
Can you elaborate? How do dogsdo fentanyl?
Dogs are much less sensitive to it than humans, according to the article.
A quick Google search leads to an FDA article for veterinarians that says “only a tiny amount” can cause an overdose though.
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Unsure of the specific pharmacokinetics behind it but dogs take about 3x mcg per kg dosing compared to humans. A lethal dose of fentanyl for humans is 100-200 micrograms which would theoretically translate to about 600mcg lethal dosage for dogs. Considerably larger than a humans tolerance but still only a few granules of powder would be lethal
They sell there kibble and bits for the money to score.
Dogs out there pulling tricks for a fix.
You lookin for a good time human? I do sits for 20 and shakes for 50.
What exactly do you mean by this? Dogs respond to fentanyl exactly the same way that humans do…it just takes a larger dose because dogs are less sensitive to it that humans. If a dog is exhibiting signs of fentanyl overdose, all that means is that they’ve ingested a larger dose than would be needed to make a human overdose, and especially if the dog’s owner is already saying it’s happened before with the same dog and they recognize the symptoms in progress.
Considering it only takes a few grains of fentanyl to cause overdose in humans, it’s not far fetched to think a puppy could ingest or inhale that much accidentally, especially if being transported in the same vehicle where there is known fentanyl possession taking place. Keep in mind, the body weight of a puppy is a fraction that of a full grown dog.
Puppies can and will eat anything regardless of whether it’s an actual food item or not.
Ok, so you do get it and you don’t need me to explain. I’m glad you answered your own question.
The cops said she said this. And I don’t believe them as a rule when it comes to anything they say about fentanyl. Ask yourself why she would say that to them? Why would she say she has enough in her possession to not only kill a person, but also kill a dog? And then admit it has happened at least once before, opening herself up to animal cruelty charges and possibly charges of intent to distribute?
No. Because you made it sound as if dogs react entirely differently and that’s not really the case. I wanted to know what you were trying to imply. Still do.
This is the dumbest question I’ve heard this week. In states where marijuana is still illegal, people get high enough to call 911 and report that someone stole their weed. Who TF knows what goes on in the mind of a fentanyl users and what they do or do not say out loud. Maybe the person cared enough about their dog to risk incriminating themselves - I know I would absolutely risk incriminating myself if it was a life or death situation for one of my own dogs.
I didn’t make it sound like dogs react entirely differently. Dogs require a significantly higher dose to have the same effect. You did seem to get that point, so I think we can move on.
Great, ok, so you believe cops are passing out and overdosing from touching baggies with suspected fent in it? Because that’s the shit they’re saying constantly. And if you believe this dog story bullshit, you might as well believe those lies too. The odds that the cops are lying are WAY higher than the odds that two junkies fed their dog fent, left the fent where they dog would have eaten it, or told the cops that the dog ate it.
Let me ask you another question. If the cops found the fent on the suspected junkies, how did the dog also eat it? If they had multiple baggies of it, that’s intent to distribute and we would have read that in the article. Yet, we didn’t.
None of this story makes sense to anybody with even a modicum of knowledge of people that actually use drugs. Be more skeptical in life, it’ll serve you well.
Fentanyl is very poorly absorbed by eating. A dog could sniff it and get it that way, but it would require quite a bit of it and it’s pretty unlikely. Given the priors it’s way more likely that the cops have the Fenty Fainties, and are applying it to a dog that had a seizure under stress or something.
Police have a long and storied track record of acting like fentanyl is toxic on sight. I had one try to stop me from administering cpr because he was worried there could be fentanyl on the patient’s clothes and I might get it on me through my gloves.