I’ve been a vegan for 17 years and I can tell you one thing Americans don’t give a shit. They well not eat less meat. They don’t give a fuck that they are killing the planet and they sure as fuck don’t want you to tell them that. I’ve traveled over seas quite a bit and I see people from other countries seem genuinely interested in veganism but Americans don’t give a fuck and give even less of a fuck when you tell them you’re a vegan.
And interestingly, as other countries advance, so to does meat consumption. I’m not shifting blame, I’m saying it’s a feature of this type of culture. We need to work on the next culture beyond this.
I reduce my meat intake but I’m not going to act holier than though and pretend it has anything to do animals.
When you tell me you’re vegan you’re telling me that’s your identity as a person and no one wants to listen to you after that. It has nothing to do with what veganism is.
@blindbunny@inasaba they’re indeed driving global warming to the extreme with their cattle ranches and ignorance. They have a lack of education since primary school, most of them have no idea what evolution is, much less would they know what carbon emissions are!
ps. America is not a country but a Continent. It might be ok to call it like that within its limits, but we’re in an international platform here, so please…
For real. The disinformation starts with pushing children to consume dairy in all kinds of products, raw as well as processed, and claiming that it’s good for your health. It all goes downhill from there.
Realistically, pushing veganism is simply a bad choice in America. Instead, we should be pushing a simple reduction in meat consumption. Just educate people and encourage them to REDUCE meat in their diet.
Take away the government subsidies that make our meat artificially cheap, doing that alone will naturally raise meat prices and lower the average person’s meat intake.
Consider throwing a carbon tax on the types of meat with the greatest environmental impact, why not?
If we want to be more equitable we could only tax the “luxury” meats (like goose, veal, lamb, oysters, or expensive beef cuts that are usually only purchased by upper class people anyway).
There are a lot of ways to skin this cat, and I think we’ve sufficiently demonstrated that most Americans are WAY too resistant to cutting all meat out of their diet.
I’ve got you even better. For the past 15 years I haven’t used a car to commute, and man do vegans NOT like the fact that their aesthetic lifestyle choice is meaningless compared to reliance on fossil fuels. Other countries have policies that genuinely reduce car culture, but holy fuck as soon as you suggest not living in the suburbs, vegans are up in arms about how America is just too big for such a thing to be possible.
“Aesthetic life choice” my ass lol. I am fortunate enough to not have to rely on a car (don’t even have a driver’s license) but suggesting others can when public transport in the US is that bad is just silly. Veganism is something you can actually easily practise though that has a meaningful impact on both the environment as well as animal well-being. This is not about “aesthetics”: it’s about making life on earth easier for everyone - both humans as well as animals alike.
I’ve been a vegan for 17 years and I can tell you one thing Americans don’t give a shit. They well not eat less meat. They don’t give a fuck that they are killing the planet and they sure as fuck don’t want you to tell them that. I’ve traveled over seas quite a bit and I see people from other countries seem genuinely interested in veganism but Americans don’t give a fuck and give even less of a fuck when you tell them you’re a vegan.
I’m not interested in veganism but I am interested (and practicing) massive reductionism, near vegetarianism.
I think that sliding scale of reduced meat consumption is the ONLY move that can be made. (Surprise? Lol)
Americans will accept reduced meat as alternatives are around, but it needs to be a “here’s a new fun thing” not a “stop doing that”
Where in America have you gone?
There are exceptions in liberal cities, but data shows that Americans consume a LOT more meat on average than most other countries.
And interestingly, as other countries advance, so to does meat consumption. I’m not shifting blame, I’m saying it’s a feature of this type of culture. We need to work on the next culture beyond this.
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I reduce my meat intake but I’m not going to act holier than though and pretend it has anything to do animals.
When you tell me you’re vegan you’re telling me that’s your identity as a person and no one wants to listen to you after that. It has nothing to do with what veganism is.
@blindbunny @inasaba they’re indeed driving global warming to the extreme with their cattle ranches and ignorance. They have a lack of education since primary school, most of them have no idea what evolution is, much less would they know what carbon emissions are!
ps. America is not a country but a Continent. It might be ok to call it like that within its limits, but we’re in an international platform here, so please…
For real. The disinformation starts with pushing children to consume dairy in all kinds of products, raw as well as processed, and claiming that it’s good for your health. It all goes downhill from there.
Realistically, pushing veganism is simply a bad choice in America. Instead, we should be pushing a simple reduction in meat consumption. Just educate people and encourage them to REDUCE meat in their diet.
Take away the government subsidies that make our meat artificially cheap, doing that alone will naturally raise meat prices and lower the average person’s meat intake.
Consider throwing a carbon tax on the types of meat with the greatest environmental impact, why not?
If we want to be more equitable we could only tax the “luxury” meats (like goose, veal, lamb, oysters, or expensive beef cuts that are usually only purchased by upper class people anyway).
There are a lot of ways to skin this cat, and I think we’ve sufficiently demonstrated that most Americans are WAY too resistant to cutting all meat out of their diet.
I’ve got you even better. For the past 15 years I haven’t used a car to commute, and man do vegans NOT like the fact that their aesthetic lifestyle choice is meaningless compared to reliance on fossil fuels. Other countries have policies that genuinely reduce car culture, but holy fuck as soon as you suggest not living in the suburbs, vegans are up in arms about how America is just too big for such a thing to be possible.
“Aesthetic life choice” my ass lol. I am fortunate enough to not have to rely on a car (don’t even have a driver’s license) but suggesting others can when public transport in the US is that bad is just silly. Veganism is something you can actually easily practise though that has a meaningful impact on both the environment as well as animal well-being. This is not about “aesthetics”: it’s about making life on earth easier for everyone - both humans as well as animals alike.
So I just do both???
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.aba7357