Intersex people are individuals born with any of several sex characteristics including chromosome patterns, gonads, or genitals that do not fit the binary. Intersex folks are not inherently trans; but many were put through gender reassignment surgery post-birth and usually without their permission, so some do in fact, feel they are trans.
I’m not sure I understand. Where did I say historically intersex bodies mean they’re trans? …are you talking about the grave found in Suontaka, Hattula in Finland? Because they did DNA testing and discovered the deceased had Klinefelter syndrome, which to very crudely summarize (and I apologize if I say this incorrectly) is someone mostly male-presenting with an additional copy of the X chromosome; so XXY instead of XY chromosomes. The deceased was dressed in female clothing of the time, and in the grave they found jewelry attributed to women in that time as well. That’s why they theorize the individual mighthave been trans as well.
Trans individuals have been a thing since humans first existed. Historical texts are littered with references, and the history of LGBTQ+ is the same group fighting for rights since forever.
Many cultures feel it is perfectly normal, and considered it expected that some people presented as different than their biological sex.
It’s completely fictional that any gender or sexual minority is new or unique in the modern era.
So then explain what you meant. Why is being trans before surgical augmentation going to be difficult, if you agree that you don’t need surgery to be trans. Make that make sense, cause it sounds like a transmedicalist shit take
It means there is little you can do about it at that point. Its like people dreamed of flight before planes but the dream was only realized once the technology was there.
trans before surgical augemtation is going to be a bit difficult
It means there is little you can do about it at that point
Not every trans person wants or needs surgery, we are not a monolith of gender. Yet once more you are insinuating that surgery is like some wright brothers fever dream. For some, just living and being accepted as their gender is the goal. Implying that without surgery, there’s little you can do about it, is fucking rude at best, and transmedicalist bullshit at worst. You admit you know very little, yet here you are telling trans people about their experience. You should stop now.
ok. you have to understand there was cross dressing for a long time. so it gets back to is cross dressing trans or whatnot and maybe in some cases but not in others. So if someone identifies as the opposite gender of their sex but does not emulate the gender in any way it sorta becomes moot. Its like just in their heart.
stop? that was the first mention and if you had any nuance you would see that what im saying is if a person is trans and takes no action to emulate their prefered gender then are they trans. Basically what is trans then. Can you define simply and succinctly.
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My guy, theres evidence of an intersex knight buried with great reverence in, I believe, Denmark, about 1000 years ago.
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Brother, their genitals
You do know what intersex is, right?
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I agree on that very much, but that’s not necessarily the point I was trying to make.
However, there were indeed trans people in the past my friend, who were perfectly xx or xy.
Intersex people are individuals born with any of several sex characteristics including chromosome patterns, gonads, or genitals that do not fit the binary. Intersex folks are not inherently trans; but many were put through gender reassignment surgery post-birth and usually without their permission, so some do in fact, feel they are trans.
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I’m not sure I understand. Where did I say historically intersex bodies mean they’re trans? …are you talking about the grave found in Suontaka, Hattula in Finland? Because they did DNA testing and discovered the deceased had Klinefelter syndrome, which to very crudely summarize (and I apologize if I say this incorrectly) is someone mostly male-presenting with an additional copy of the X chromosome; so XXY instead of XY chromosomes. The deceased was dressed in female clothing of the time, and in the grave they found jewelry attributed to women in that time as well. That’s why they theorize the individual might have been trans as well.
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Trans individuals have been a thing since humans first existed. Historical texts are littered with references, and the history of LGBTQ+ is the same group fighting for rights since forever.
Many cultures feel it is perfectly normal, and considered it expected that some people presented as different than their biological sex.
It’s completely fictional that any gender or sexual minority is new or unique in the modern era.
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and whataboutism rears its ugly head
ha true
what exactly am I whataboutisming about?
uh, you don’t need surgery to be trans
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So then explain what you meant. Why is being trans before surgical augmentation going to be difficult, if you agree that you don’t need surgery to be trans. Make that make sense, cause it sounds like a transmedicalist shit take
It means there is little you can do about it at that point. Its like people dreamed of flight before planes but the dream was only realized once the technology was there.
Not every trans person wants or needs surgery, we are not a monolith of gender. Yet once more you are insinuating that surgery is like some wright brothers fever dream. For some, just living and being accepted as their gender is the goal. Implying that without surgery, there’s little you can do about it, is fucking rude at best, and transmedicalist bullshit at worst. You admit you know very little, yet here you are telling trans people about their experience. You should stop now.
ok. you have to understand there was cross dressing for a long time. so it gets back to is cross dressing trans or whatnot and maybe in some cases but not in others. So if someone identifies as the opposite gender of their sex but does not emulate the gender in any way it sorta becomes moot. Its like just in their heart.
Stop associating crossdressing with transgender people you fucking asshole
stop? that was the first mention and if you had any nuance you would see that what im saying is if a person is trans and takes no action to emulate their prefered gender then are they trans. Basically what is trans then. Can you define simply and succinctly.