Summary: Season finale. Gaal, Salvor, and Hari chart a new path forward on Ignis. Demerzel heads to Trantor, taking actions that will change Empire forever.

Air Date: September 15, 2023

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    Agreed the previous episode was deeper. This was more wobbly.

    I’ll give terminus a miss, but this is just more ass-pulling powers of “the vault”/“prime radiant”/“mentalics”. That’s probably my biggest gripe, they have teleportation technology, they should be able to just replace day or others and take over the empire that way, they have super-magic and can predict the future, but they act like they’re the underdogs.

    Gaal is slightly less annoying now, but still the most obnoxious character, it’s probably good that salvor died, her character barely fit under gaal, it was awkward, she kept looking to Gaal for guidance when she had more and better experience.

    What was most creepy was the undertones of demerzel and her exponents, they really were both trapped in this, and her loyalty wasn’t to any of the living but to the continuation, so imagine how many cleons must have been inconvenient and were removed. Empire is a damaged airliner with no-one at the stick.

    Saw something like that coming in the scene with the spacer mother and daughter talking, it looked like she knew she was sacrificing herself and was dealing with it. Still don’t get why hober needed that implant, the spacer in command literally synced with her mom directly, and can apparently do that from anywhere too, just seemed like a completely meaningless macguffin.

    Edit: Why would the spacers go ahead with the deal with their ally’s main planet was just vaporized? Where is the ophelium going to come from? Doesn’t that make Empire’s wrath more terrifying?

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      Because Harry gave them the power to manufacture their own spice - I really think that he actually gave them the information rather than merely dangling it like a carrot.

      At the same time they cut the legs out from under Empire, which means they have no reason to fear its wrath. Empire is crippled without them.

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        That’s not how deals work, and his offer was for ophallum, not the recipe, though you’re right that actually would be better overall.

        But I think they always can fear empires wrath, the … stupid bicycle wheel jumped without spacers, they’re not required.

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          Nobody else likes to address this, but the ships with their drives are still weapons. If you know where an enemy is (or where their planet, ships, etc are), you can simply jump a ship to that location. The ship won’t survive, but you’ve introduced mass and energy where there previously was none… sending a bomb.

          I’m brought back to that scene in one of the later Star Wars movies, where that one Jedi flagship went FTL into the middle of Kylo Ren’s stupid mega-cruiser, destroying everything. Why hasn’t that been used the entire time? Kamikaze attacks are still attacks.

          We don’t really have specifics on how the Clone memory logging and data transfer works, but if its anywhere near real time or FTL, then you can send an army of Cleons out to scout, find an enemy, relay that thought to a control center, and jump a bomb ship. You could even just jump a drive strapped to a load of garbage for that extra juicy mass with little extra cost. It’s a green alternative to conventional warfare as you get to take out the trash.

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            11 year ago

            The writers messed this one up by making Foundation FTL jumps have basically no caveats. In the books ships could only jump to Hyperspace when they are a few days away from the nearest planet, jumps take days to calculate, have lots of error, and can only be reasonably accurate for modest distances.

            When you write in “it’s magic and anything can happen” then you start to ask “why not use every ship as a weapon?” or “why not leverage the vault as the obvious galactic-scale superweapon that it is?”

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            11 year ago

            Yeah, this has been a hole in a lot of sci-fi for a while, it was a shock when TLJ did it, but now it’s open everywhere.