Why does it always have to be on the rest of society to take the highest road, offer all of the grace of community to those who actively participate, encourage and promote the destruction of our society?
Ever notice that they immediately have to take the role of the victim and expect to be treated in a polite manner, then get mad when society doesn’t respond the way they want? Fucking exhausting.
I’m glad you admit that you will not take the high road, and that you have no empathy or compassion. You are a sociopath and you enjoy making vulnerable people suffer.
If somebody is in a position where Tate appeals to them, my criticism of Tate’s brainwashing combined with criticism of those who ridicule lonely people will be more influential than this meme’s ridicule of lonely people for being desperate enough to fall prey to brainwashing.
These lonely people are trapped between two hostile forces. I am drawing attention to that.
We aren’t criticizing lonely people. Go take your strawman elsewhere.
Incel/NEET/sigma/Redpill “culture” 100% deserves as much and as frequent derision as fucking possible. The only remotely positive thing these horrendous ideas perpetuate for their target audience is the “grind mindset” (which in itself is horrifying). The only reason the “grind mindset” is helpful in these situations is that it helps people stuck in this world get into the real world.
Andrew Tate is absolute trash. He’s also not one of the lonely people he’s targeting.
I’m not defending Tate or Peterson. I’m defending the lonely men who fall prey to his bullshit because everybody else just ridicules lonely people for being desperate enough to reach out tothe only people offering anything to them at all.
So the secret to deprogramming a rapist’s online cult members is just to have really good intentions. Got it.
I think I’m just going to continue ridiculing Tate. If that hurts his believers’ feelings and they feel a bit ridiculous, well, I guess I’ll have to live with myself.
Yes, the secret to deprogramming a rapist’s cult is definitely 100% to have good intentions for those lonely men who fall prey to the cult.
Yes, keep ridiculing Tate because he is ridiculous and hostile. But if you are generally ridiculing lonely people for their desperation and their failure to find a good response to their misery… then you are exactly the same as Tate.
I think making counseling a mandatory part of school for everyone would go a long way to helping prevent this problem. Something to get the kids that are behind socially to be more comfortable socializing. When I was a kid all the incel types were coming out of highschool having had the shit bullied out of them for years and being afraid to socialize with anyone outside their group. Then they get out of school with social skills and at the mercy of wherever they end up(college, job, neet, whatever) if they don’t find someone to include them in shit and rewire them out of that “other people are cruel” mindset they’re fucked.
if you are dumb enough to be bigoted out of ‘loneliness’ then I don’t think I care too much. being an asshole and being sexist and transphobic are not the same.
I’m fully aware of the depths depression and other mental illnesses can take someone to. I understand hating people because your life sucks, I won’t understand people that resort to demeaning those already beneath them (in a socioeconomic sense, that is.)
The grift doesn’t lead with hate or demeaning people. The grift leads with answers and solutions to serious problems (albeit largely bullshit solutions), and then the hate is brought in later to isolate the recruited person and build in-group loyalty be defining an out-group.
When bloodthirsty lunatics then start their attack on that high level by ridiculing the recruited person for showing interest in a cult whose only appearance to us is that they treat us like the out-group, but without offering any solutions or even humanity (just explicitly mocking them as lonely people), then you’re just solidifying the group dynamics that the grifters created.
That’s so gross. You just have general bloodlust and you’re looking for a vulnerable person to bully.
Why does it always have to be on the rest of society to take the highest road, offer all of the grace of community to those who actively participate, encourage and promote the destruction of our society?
Ever notice that they immediately have to take the role of the victim and expect to be treated in a polite manner, then get mad when society doesn’t respond the way they want? Fucking exhausting.
This is why we have Charlie on youtube to destroy these weenies
I’m glad you admit that you will not take the high road, and that you have no empathy or compassion. You are a sociopath and you enjoy making vulnerable people suffer.
You would get along well with Tate.
Tolerance is not a value, it’s a mutual social contract.
If these people are not willing to give it, they can’t expect to receive it when it’s convenient.
This is a callous, zero-sum, losing strategy.
If somebody is in a position where Tate appeals to them, my criticism of Tate’s brainwashing combined with criticism of those who ridicule lonely people will be more influential than this meme’s ridicule of lonely people for being desperate enough to fall prey to brainwashing.
These lonely people are trapped between two hostile forces. I am drawing attention to that.
We aren’t criticizing lonely people. Go take your strawman elsewhere.
Incel/NEET/sigma/Redpill “culture” 100% deserves as much and as frequent derision as fucking possible. The only remotely positive thing these horrendous ideas perpetuate for their target audience is the “grind mindset” (which in itself is horrifying). The only reason the “grind mindset” is helpful in these situations is that it helps people stuck in this world get into the real world.
Ridiculing people susceptible to psychopaths actually drives those people to red pill bullshit. You’re doing Tate’s work for him.
Again… since you are incapable of holding this though in your brain.
Ridiculing people and ad ideas are two… count them: one (1), two (2)… different things.
This is the first time you said these things.
The meme mocks the people who can’t get a girlfriend. It’s right on the picture: “Why can’t I find a girlfriend starter pack.”
If it was mocking the ideas, or the grifters who perpetuate the ideas, it would say “grifter starter pack.” But it doesn’t say that.
It puts the effect before the cause so that it can mock weak people. It’s kicking lonely people when they’re down.
Cork it, incel
If you don’t think Andrew Tate type people deserve more ridicule, you might just be a piece of shit running cover for pieces of shit.
Why do you defend completely trash people?
Andrew Tate is absolute trash. He’s also not one of the lonely people he’s targeting.
I’m not defending Tate or Peterson. I’m defending the lonely men who fall prey to his bullshit because everybody else just ridicules lonely people for being desperate enough to reach out to the only people offering anything to them at all.
Perhaps these men should reach out to a therapist and not bigoted, hateful pieces of shit?
Because that requires them to accept they have an issue. Tate et al tells them society is at fault and they don’t need to change.
Finally, somebody offered something other than than ridicule. Yes, this is an actual response.
Personally I don’t think therapy will make men less lonely, but it might provide them with better coping mechanisms and a response to that loneliness.
So the secret to deprogramming a rapist’s online cult members is just to have really good intentions. Got it.
I think I’m just going to continue ridiculing Tate. If that hurts his believers’ feelings and they feel a bit ridiculous, well, I guess I’ll have to live with myself.
Yes, the secret to deprogramming a rapist’s cult is definitely 100% to have good intentions for those lonely men who fall prey to the cult.
Yes, keep ridiculing Tate because he is ridiculous and hostile. But if you are generally ridiculing lonely people for their desperation and their failure to find a good response to their misery… then you are exactly the same as Tate.
You know a ton of Tate’s followers are children, right? There are a fuckload of societal issues beyond just “loneliness” in play here.
The meme is explicitly about lonely men falling prey to brainwashing. That’s what we’ve been talking about this whole time.
If you actually care about diminishing the power of Tate’s ugliness, you would offer something other than more ugliness to those lonely people.
You are amazingly unspecific about what that something might be. How about something more concrete than generic feel-good platitudes?
I think making counseling a mandatory part of school for everyone would go a long way to helping prevent this problem. Something to get the kids that are behind socially to be more comfortable socializing. When I was a kid all the incel types were coming out of highschool having had the shit bullied out of them for years and being afraid to socialize with anyone outside their group. Then they get out of school with social skills and at the mercy of wherever they end up(college, job, neet, whatever) if they don’t find someone to include them in shit and rewire them out of that “other people are cruel” mindset they’re fucked.
Not ridiculing lonely people for being lonely. That’s literally all I’m suggesting.
But you go ahead and keep herding lonely people towards Tate or suicide.
They’re all rich . They are not vulnerable.
I’m not talking about the psychotic self-help grifters. I’m talking about the lonely young men they prey on. That’s also who the meme is ridiculing.
if you are dumb enough to be bigoted out of ‘loneliness’ then I don’t think I care too much. being an asshole and being sexist and transphobic are not the same.
Depression can warp your thinking.
These grifters are predators preying on vulnerable people.
I’m fully aware of the depths depression and other mental illnesses can take someone to. I understand hating people because your life sucks, I won’t understand people that resort to demeaning those already beneath them (in a socioeconomic sense, that is.)
The grift doesn’t lead with hate or demeaning people. The grift leads with answers and solutions to serious problems (albeit largely bullshit solutions), and then the hate is brought in later to isolate the recruited person and build in-group loyalty be defining an out-group.
When bloodthirsty lunatics then start their attack on that high level by ridiculing the recruited person for showing interest in a cult whose only appearance to us is that they treat us like the out-group, but without offering any solutions or even humanity (just explicitly mocking them as lonely people), then you’re just solidifying the group dynamics that the grifters created.