But the consequences are the same. The grave was already deep enough to bury them in. Letting them convince a bunch of impressionable rubes that the soil is soft and the solution to everything is buried in it is the mistake, not shoving in the dirt when they’ve dug deep enough.
The consequences are not necessarily the same. You add deniability cutting them short. You limit any long term plans, discussion of numbers or organization, their method of recruitment at the end, etc. All of which could be useful in social consequences and more importantly law enforcement tracking, which they thankfully do when it comes to white nationalists.
Making a Nazi’s position as public as possible makes it harder for that nazi to move, and measures how much resource should be committed to tracking them. It’s the difference between “I hate x” and “I hate x, if you’re interested we meet at 6 at the church rec center on tuesday!”
Now you have a phone call to make, with video, that a white nationalist group is meeting at the church at 6 on tuesday. To the FBI tip line, and to local news which raises the local consciousness as a problem.
Nobody is doing all that work though, dude. There’s no catalogue posted publicly itemizing their crimes for all to see. Law enforcement tracks these people well enough already. They had people in leadership positions of the proud boys informing the FBI, for fucks sake, and still did nothing to stop their participation in Jan 6th. At least half the people in law enforcement probably agree with this shit.
Again I want to stress that a single Nazi is not a problem. You’re overly focused on fighting some kind of hypothetical individual and not a widespread and growing political movement.
Nothing you can do as an individual will have any kind of meaningful effect on the movement as a whole. If you care about stopping this, truly, you must start thinking about strategy in collective terms.
Canceling and silencing them doesn’t make them stop being Nazis, it just entrenches them, but nothing you do is going to make them all have some kind of enlightened epiphany and stop being racist. The best you can hope for is that if they get lonely enough from being a pariah that they’ll reflect and come around on their own terms. That isn’t going to happen if they’ve built a support network of virulent racists to surround them and tell them they’re right and the libs are evil for denying them their free speech. Separating them from the means to make that support network is imperative if you actually want to turn this tide, instead of getting some self indulgent revenge on a dipshit who doesn’t know anything about any grander strategy for you to even theoretically glean while they shout out whatever persuasive bullshit they were fed that made them Nazis.
Honestly dude this is all just rearranging deck chairs and fun hypotheticals. Climate change has blown through estimates at this stage and is going to decimate our species in such a way that we can’t even really reasonably hypothesize the scale of humanity or the level of surviving civil/technological memory on the other side. Civilization might limp along for a little while, or we could be looking at a second dark age, there just isn’t enough data yet.
Our sociopolitical differences are going to feel very, very quaint in 10 years when the mass famines set in.
I’ve come to take a great deal of solace in seeing that our selfish species as a whole has lost.
All the stupid race wars, empires of dust, snake oil peddling religions, and nation states in human history. All the elitists manipulating peasants out of greed and glut. Nobody wins. Good.
For the very real in my opinion overarching crime of humanity: dividing ourselves and competing against one another at every conceivable level instead of working for each other, we as a species deserve what we have wrought.
Humanity will survive. We’re cockroaches. Maybe If we’re thinned out enough, when we rebuild, we can rebuild as a planet and a people instead of as nation states undermining one another to get mooooooore than the next guy. This petty nation state crap is idiotic, and a means for sociopaths to manipulate people against people for power.
I see it more as an unfortunate victory of destructive ideology than a well earned collective punishment for our faults as a species, but otherwise agreed.
But the consequences are the same. The grave was already deep enough to bury them in. Letting them convince a bunch of impressionable rubes that the soil is soft and the solution to everything is buried in it is the mistake, not shoving in the dirt when they’ve dug deep enough.
The consequences are not necessarily the same. You add deniability cutting them short. You limit any long term plans, discussion of numbers or organization, their method of recruitment at the end, etc. All of which could be useful in social consequences and more importantly law enforcement tracking, which they thankfully do when it comes to white nationalists.
Making a Nazi’s position as public as possible makes it harder for that nazi to move, and measures how much resource should be committed to tracking them. It’s the difference between “I hate x” and “I hate x, if you’re interested we meet at 6 at the church rec center on tuesday!”
Now you have a phone call to make, with video, that a white nationalist group is meeting at the church at 6 on tuesday. To the FBI tip line, and to local news which raises the local consciousness as a problem.
Nobody is doing all that work though, dude. There’s no catalogue posted publicly itemizing their crimes for all to see. Law enforcement tracks these people well enough already. They had people in leadership positions of the proud boys informing the FBI, for fucks sake, and still did nothing to stop their participation in Jan 6th. At least half the people in law enforcement probably agree with this shit.
Again I want to stress that a single Nazi is not a problem. You’re overly focused on fighting some kind of hypothetical individual and not a widespread and growing political movement.
I cant stop all Nazis everywhere, I can only seek to attempt to inflict maximum penalty upon those I do encounter.
That is all I can do as an individual. And in that regard, it is within my power to inflict more penalty upon them than “hey shut up.”
Nothing you can do as an individual will have any kind of meaningful effect on the movement as a whole. If you care about stopping this, truly, you must start thinking about strategy in collective terms.
Canceling and silencing them doesn’t make them stop being Nazis, it just entrenches them, but nothing you do is going to make them all have some kind of enlightened epiphany and stop being racist. The best you can hope for is that if they get lonely enough from being a pariah that they’ll reflect and come around on their own terms. That isn’t going to happen if they’ve built a support network of virulent racists to surround them and tell them they’re right and the libs are evil for denying them their free speech. Separating them from the means to make that support network is imperative if you actually want to turn this tide, instead of getting some self indulgent revenge on a dipshit who doesn’t know anything about any grander strategy for you to even theoretically glean while they shout out whatever persuasive bullshit they were fed that made them Nazis.
Honestly dude this is all just rearranging deck chairs and fun hypotheticals. Climate change has blown through estimates at this stage and is going to decimate our species in such a way that we can’t even really reasonably hypothesize the scale of humanity or the level of surviving civil/technological memory on the other side. Civilization might limp along for a little while, or we could be looking at a second dark age, there just isn’t enough data yet.
Our sociopolitical differences are going to feel very, very quaint in 10 years when the mass famines set in.
Yeah fair enough. If watching Nazis dig impossibly deep holes brings you joy in these end times then by all means don’t let me rob you of that.
I’ve come to take a great deal of solace in seeing that our selfish species as a whole has lost.
All the stupid race wars, empires of dust, snake oil peddling religions, and nation states in human history. All the elitists manipulating peasants out of greed and glut. Nobody wins. Good.
For the very real in my opinion overarching crime of humanity: dividing ourselves and competing against one another at every conceivable level instead of working for each other, we as a species deserve what we have wrought.
Humanity will survive. We’re cockroaches. Maybe If we’re thinned out enough, when we rebuild, we can rebuild as a planet and a people instead of as nation states undermining one another to get mooooooore than the next guy. This petty nation state crap is idiotic, and a means for sociopaths to manipulate people against people for power.
I see it more as an unfortunate victory of destructive ideology than a well earned collective punishment for our faults as a species, but otherwise agreed.