• queermunist she/her
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    311 year ago

    Combining pay with benefits as a single dollar amount is gibberish.

    Why don’t you list the actual hourly wage they’re asking for?

      • queermunist she/her
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        The automakers combine benefits with wages to make the number seem much larger than it actually is, so the workers sound greedy.

        Their current wages are around $20/hr. Calling that “$60/hr with benefits” is beyond misleading , it’s fucking disgusting. You can’t pay rent with benefits, fuck off.

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            Don’t tone police me honey 🙄 when you side with the bosses you become my enemy. Don’t be surprised when I treat you like one.

            The demand is to increase the top hourly rate to $47 per hour - so use that number, not the numbers fed to you by the industry. That’s what wages should be if they had kept up with productivity and inflation over the past several decades.

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                Then I’ll tell you to fuck off and eat my ass as much as I want you fucking class traitor. If you act like an enemy you get treated like one.

                Why the fuck are you trying to nickle-and-dime the workers? What’s wrong with you?

      • XbSuper
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        Continuing to post the exact same article, and parrot the same talking point, isn’t exactly painting you in a good light. If you want discussion, try moving forward with it.

          • XbSuper
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            Sure, but in order to change the narrative, you need to move forward, saying the same thing over and over will result in the same responses, and get you where you are. I personally disagree with your points, but if you raise them in good faith, then you deserve to be heard. The key is “in good faith”, if you’re unwilling to accept you may be wrong, how can you expect others to?

            Discussion is difficult on lemmy, but the only way to make it better is to keep trying.

    • @JustAManOnAToilet
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      Because the combined number is how much they’re costing the company.

      • Flying Squid
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        How many billions did each of those companies make last year?

        • @JustAManOnAToilet
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          Keep pushing and the jobs get relocated completely. This latest push is the union signing the death warrant for the area.

          • Flying Squid
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            Relocated to where? You know they would have to build a new factory and train new employees, right? Who’s going to make all the cars until then?

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              General Motors currently operates 4 production facilities in Mexico, as does Ford.

              Stellantis has 7.

              You’re right, it’ll take some time to shift completely, but this sort of push by the union is the kind of catalyst that can light a fire under execs to get it done.

              What’s cheaper, what the union is asking for or the cost of moving production? When those lines cross on the graph, the union is fucked.

              • Flying Squid
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                So somehow they’ll be able to ramp up production in those plants to match or even come near the output of American plants in addition to what they already make?

                Why aren’t they already doing that?

                • @JustAManOnAToilet
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                  Who says they aren’t? Here’s one example:

                  https://www.cnbc.com/2023/08/20/stellantis-has-discussed-moving-some-truck-assembly-to-mexico-uaw-says.html

                  Stellantis, which already produces some Ram pickups in Mexico, did not confirm nor deny the potential move, saying in a statement: “Product allocation for our U.S. plants will depend on the outcome of these negotiations as well as a plant’s ability to meet specific performance metrics including improving quality, reducing absenteeism and addressing overall cost.

                  • Flying Squid
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                    Some truck assembly. Do you really think they have the ability and the factory space and staff and machinery to move all of it down there? Be serious.

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            I agree, that is what the oligarchy will try to do, so sending key manufacturing jobs overseas should be illegal and punished with seizure of assets and ownership of the plants redistributed to the workers.