Even once he collapsed, it was a young civilian woman ignoring police orders who entered the water a retrieved his body.
I’d also like to point out that they only waited until the guy collapsed (and ultimately drowned) before someone actually did something, despite being told not to do it.
That’s assuming they were there the whole time? Also, it’s pretty well known that people are susceptible to the bystander effect, especially when someone of perceived higher authority is at the scene.
So excuses for the trained first responders, blame the victim, and then blame the untrained bystanders who attempted to help? Is that how you want to frame this picture?
The civilians didn’t fail him, the first responder system did. If the first responders would have taken action he’d be fine, if the first responders weren’t at the scene the civilians would have saved him.
This situation happened because the people who are paid to help chose not too.
No, no. I would never blame Raymond Zack - or anyone in his position. Never. Anybody who contemplates or ideates suicide is someone who needs our upmost attention and seriousness. For someone to actively start the process, regardless of intention, deserves it even more so.
I’d also like to point out that they only waited until the guy collapsed (and ultimately drowned) before someone actually did something, despite being told not to do it.
That’s assuming they were there the whole time? Also, it’s pretty well known that people are susceptible to the bystander effect, especially when someone of perceived higher authority is at the scene.
Yes. And? That’s why they failed him.
So excuses for the trained first responders, blame the victim, and then blame the untrained bystanders who attempted to help? Is that how you want to frame this picture?
The civilians didn’t fail him, the first responder system did. If the first responders would have taken action he’d be fine, if the first responders weren’t at the scene the civilians would have saved him.
This situation happened because the people who are paid to help chose not too.
You think I’m blaming the victim?
No, no. I would never blame Raymond Zack - or anyone in his position. Never. Anybody who contemplates or ideates suicide is someone who needs our upmost attention and seriousness. For someone to actively start the process, regardless of intention, deserves it even more so.
I speak from personal experience.