In the latest series of cases involving blasphemy laws in Indonesia, a TikToker with more than than 2 million followers is found guilty and jailed for two years for saying an Islamic phrase before eating crispy pork skin.
I get the impression you are mixing up religion with “the church”. The church can be quite valuable as a social community centre. Likewise, post-secondary schools no doubt offer similar community value. But we’re talking about the belief system people have built up around it. One that often makes unfounded spiritual claims and threatens repercussions to those who do not attend church/school. That is where religion enters the picture and post-secondary education seems to be especially attractive to religious-types.
I’m talking about beliefs, including, but not limited to: people walking on water, filling a boat with a pair of every animal in existence, and travelling to heaven to negotiate, with God, the number of daily prayers required by a believer. None of these things have actually been witnessed, because they simply didn’t happen
With respect to the belief that schooling can result in the obtaining of lucrative employment - many people, including myself, have witnessed students acquiring skills and experience in school that they used to obtain jobs that provide ample wages
They have. I have watched people walk on water. Of course, not in some magical way… all very explainable when you understand the underlying trick.
many people, including myself, have witnessed students acquiring skills and experience in school that they used to obtain jobs that provide ample wages
Likewise, simply watching someone go to college and get a job afterwards is not sufficient evidence that college is the reason for the outcome.
What we do know is that incomes have held stagnant through the rise of post-secondary schooling. This tells that some people always found higher paying jobs and other people always found lower paying jobs. What it also tells is that more people haven’t found higher paying jobs after going to college. If the more and more people going to college were finding more and more higher paying work then the aggregate income mathematically could not be stagnant. But it is.
So, what you have is an extraordinary claim. Unless you just want to buy into a religion and believe everything you see at the surface level, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. What controls do you have to ensure that you’ve not just missed an underlying trick?
Frankly, I am unsure of how to interpret this ad homiem. Do you honestly believe it has relevance to the discussion, or is it intended as a “go away you heretic”?
It’s a crude, and admittedly unbecoming act of disengagement
Please accept my apologies for my rudeness
This discussion isn’t heading towards any sort of mutual agreement, understanding, or knowledge sharing, so let’s end it and move onto more interesting things
This discussion isn’t heading towards any sort of mutual agreement, understanding, or knowledge sharing
Oh? Surely that would only be possible if religion is coming into play. And if it is that religion is coming into play, then we’ve still learned something – it being the topic of discussion.
I get the impression you are mixing up religion with “the church”. The church can be quite valuable as a social community centre. Likewise, post-secondary schools no doubt offer similar community value. But we’re talking about the belief system people have built up around it. One that often makes unfounded spiritual claims and threatens repercussions to those who do not attend church/school. That is where religion enters the picture and post-secondary education seems to be especially attractive to religious-types.
I’m talking about beliefs, including, but not limited to: people walking on water, filling a boat with a pair of every animal in existence, and travelling to heaven to negotiate, with God, the number of daily prayers required by a believer. None of these things have actually been witnessed, because they simply didn’t happen
With respect to the belief that schooling can result in the obtaining of lucrative employment - many people, including myself, have witnessed students acquiring skills and experience in school that they used to obtain jobs that provide ample wages
I don’t see a parallel between the two
They have. I have watched people walk on water. Of course, not in some magical way… all very explainable when you understand the underlying trick.
Likewise, simply watching someone go to college and get a job afterwards is not sufficient evidence that college is the reason for the outcome.
What we do know is that incomes have held stagnant through the rise of post-secondary schooling. This tells that some people always found higher paying jobs and other people always found lower paying jobs. What it also tells is that more people haven’t found higher paying jobs after going to college. If the more and more people going to college were finding more and more higher paying work then the aggregate income mathematically could not be stagnant. But it is.
So, what you have is an extraordinary claim. Unless you just want to buy into a religion and believe everything you see at the surface level, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. What controls do you have to ensure that you’ve not just missed an underlying trick?
You really think you’re on to something here, don’t you?
Frankly, I am unsure of how to interpret this ad homiem. Do you honestly believe it has relevance to the discussion, or is it intended as a “go away you heretic”?
It’s a crude, and admittedly unbecoming act of disengagement
Please accept my apologies for my rudeness
This discussion isn’t heading towards any sort of mutual agreement, understanding, or knowledge sharing, so let’s end it and move onto more interesting things
all the best to you
Oh? Surely that would only be possible if religion is coming into play. And if it is that religion is coming into play, then we’ve still learned something – it being the topic of discussion.