• @unfreeradical
    link
    11 year ago

    how can illegal immigrants send money home but regular workers live paycheck to paycheck?

    Migrants are not sending money to strangers in their home countries. They are supporting families, just the same as those who are not migrants and live with their families.

    • @[email protected]
      link
      fedilink
      11 year ago

      But they also supposedly earn less. My point is that there are options to save money. The problem is bigger than having to increase wages.

      • @unfreeradical
        link
        1
        edit-2
        1 year ago

        In many cases someone will settle for a very low standard of living, and set aside a small amount to support family living in a country with a much lower cost of living.

        • @[email protected]
          link
          fedilink
          11 year ago

          Now, what is a low standard of living? We know that the world doesn’t have the resources to let everybody live like an average American. Sooner or later, resource usage has to be reduced. Everybody will have a very low standard of living unless we figure out how to live comfortably with less.

          • @unfreeradical
            link
            1
            edit-2
            1 year ago

            In objective terms the lifestyle framed as the American ideal is unsustainable and inequitable, but much of the material value of the lifestyle carries little value in relative terms for genuine well being. Planning the built environment, cooperating in the community and workplace, and sharing benefits and burdens across our lives, would allow us to achieve a very high standard of living for everyone at a much more reasonable material cost.

            I am not understanding the general theme of your various comments in relation to one another.

            • @[email protected]
              link
              fedilink
              11 year ago

              The theme is that I think that workers miss their opportunities when they frame the situation as a billionaire problem.

              • @unfreeradical
                link
                11 year ago

                Fighting among ourselves for the crumbs left for us by those who pillage and hoard hardly seems the same as seizing the best opportunities.

                Billionaires are the problem.

                They hold all the power, but make no contribution. They shape society against the common interests of most of the population.

                • @[email protected]
                  link
                  fedilink
                  11 year ago

                  I prefer to think that billionaires are not the only ones who can bring an end to the infighting.

                  The population chooses to be shapen.

                  The population can choose differently, unless they reaffirm each other that only billionaires can create change.

                  • @unfreeradical
                    link
                    11 year ago

                    Who claimed “only billionaires can create change?”

                • @[email protected]
                  link
                  fedilink
                  0
                  edit-2
                  1 year ago

                  Extra comment for billionaire contributions.

                  To put it bluntly: if they shape society, is that no contribution?

                  With some struggling, workers could invest part of their wages but they live paycheck to paycheck, of course often also not entirely by their own choice.

                  Instead of asking everybody to save, money is pooled in billionaires who don’t struggle when they invest.

                  That creates an unfair power imbalance but workers could change everything with taxes if they suffered too much.

                  • @unfreeradical
                    link
                    21 year ago

                    if they shape society, is that no contribution?

                    Billionaires shape society in their own interests, for unbounded accumulation of private wealth, generated from the labor of others, despite their not contributing any labor of their own, nor making any other contribution.