Everything you need to know about the ‘one million march for children’ to stop the ‘indoctrination of children in public schools’

    • @Nahvi
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      -201 year ago

      I learned at a young age that hating someone is like drinking poison and expecting the other person to die.

      I feel the same disdain towards someone who would suggest we eradicate people because of their skin color or ethnic background as I do towards someone that would suggest that we eradicate people because of their political views.

      The difference being, I have never encountered anyone in real life or on Lemmy who would openly admit to being a nazi, whereas I have never spent an hour on Lemmy without seeing someone who thinks its okay to unironically say, “kill conservatives” or “eat rich people” receive overwhelming positive votes.

      • @Ensign_Crab
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        91 year ago

        The difference being, I have never encountered anyone in real life or on Lemmy who would openly admit to being a nazi

        You guys never do.

        • @Nahvi
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          -101 year ago

          Now for your turn. Do you hate leftists that shame your stance by promoting genocide?

          • @Ensign_Crab
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            111 year ago

            I hate anyone who promotes genocide. It’s why I hate nazis.

            Conservatism and wealth are neither immutable characteristics nor cultures. You have provided zero examples of leftists calling for genocide.

            Then again, your definition of “bigotry” is selective enough that you only consider people to be bigots if they don’t like bigots. Who knows how bonkers and contrary to reality your definition of “genocide” is?

            • @Nahvi
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              -81 year ago

              I hate anyone who promotes genocide.

              Then we should be on similar sides of this argument.

              Does it really needed to be pointed out that Conservatism in the West is based on religious and cultural characteristics? Or are we just going to pretend that most Western conservatives aren’t Protestants?

              your definition of “bigotry” is selective enough that you only consider people to be bigots if they don’t like bigots

              How odd, that doesn’t sound anything like what I posted earlier. Not something I wrote mind you, just the first thing that came up when I web-searched “bigot”. It is almost like you are making up a fake argument, that is easy to defeat, and then pretending I said something like it. If only there was a name for that sort of thing. S…st…straw… I will give you hint, it isn’t strawberry.

              Here is the exact quote I posted earlier:

              bigot - bĭg′ət - noun - One who is strongly partial to one’s own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.

              If you are getting something significantly different than that when you look up bigot, you might try using something other than Google; it has a tendency to reinforce one’s own biases.

              • @Ensign_Crab
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                61 year ago

                Does it really needed to be pointed out that Conservatism in the West is based on religious and cultural characteristics?

                Conservatism itself is not a religion. There are plenty of conservative atheists and non-conservative religious institutions. Don’t try to co-opt religion just to pretend that your political views are a culture.

                The only portion of the definition of “bigot” you care about is the portion you bolded. Which you’re using as a proxy for “people who hold political views that are rooted in bigotry.”

                I’m glad lemmy is hostile to bigots. I hope that never changes.

                • @Nahvi
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                  -61 year ago

                  There are plenty of conservative atheists

                  I have no doubt that there are some conservative atheists, but let’s not pretend that they represent anything other than an extreme minority of self-identified conservatives.

                  Don’t try to co-opt religion just to pretend that your political views are a culture.

                  I will let Wikipedia do the talking here.

                  Conservatism is a cultural, social, and political philosophy that seeks to promote and to preserve traditional institutions, customs, and values.

                  the portion you bolded.

                  The bolded portion was the portion relevant to the conversation, and relevant to Lemmy in general. Even if what you are saying was true and that was all I cared about, it wouldn’t mean OC wasn’t being bigoted.

                  I’m glad lemmy is hostile to bigots.

                  If Lemmy was hostile to all bigots instead of just conservative bigots, someone else would have called out OC as a bigot. After picking my jaw up off the floor, I would have upvoted then moved on.

                  • @Ensign_Crab
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                    51 year ago

                    You argue semantics a lot, huh? Got any more cherrypicked excerpts of definitions that you want to bold portions of at me?

          • WHARRGARBL
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            71 year ago

            Genocide now?

            Genocide is the intent to destroy members of a specific nationality, religion, ethnicity, or race.

            Your hyperbole in this thread is a testament to the comments pointing out that conservatives don’t engage with reason.

            • @Nahvi
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              -81 year ago

              If we are going to say that most conservatives are white protestants then yes it sounds like a fair term to use.

              Though even if we decide it is the wrong term, calling for the eradication of large parts of the population based on religious, cultural and a political affiliation is still abhorrent.

        • @Nahvi
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          -121 year ago

          Guilty as charged or at least close enough.

          Like most centrists, many of my views are not really in the center but I think it is necessary in a democracy to find a middle ground between the extremes.

          • TSG_Asmodeus (he, him)
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            51 year ago

            Like most centrists, many of my views are not really in the center

            hahahahahaha

      • @Ceedoestrees
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        51 year ago

        If you’ve never met someone on real life who is openly racist, calls themselves a nazi, openly supports bigoted policies and/or actively works to remove rights from people for who they are - you’re not paying attention. This is on a post about people organizing a march and politically strategizing to strip the rights away from other people.

        • @Nahvi
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          -51 year ago

          I did not say that I had never met a racist or someone who supports bigoted policies, just that I had never met anyone that would admit to being a nazi. The difference being most nazis know they should keep their extremist views hidden.

          I have met plenty or racists. For most of them it is subtle and they don’t recognize it for what it is. I have never heard any of them advocate for killing everyone on the other side of the political spectrum or eating humans.

          remove rights from people for who they are

          This is vague and politically loaded. I have definitely met TERFs, pro-lifers, and those that advocate against gender treatments for children, but that is not at all the same as advocating mass murder and cannibalism for those that disagree with their views.

          I don’t know anything about the group behind those protests. I was vaguely curious about it when I clicked this post but made the mistake of reading the most upvoted comment in this thread.

          In my mind there is a pretty big difference between what the article says is the groups stated viewpoint:

          “Our primary concern is indoctrination of children in public schools,” the group says on its website. “This movement is mainly focused on protection of children against LGBTQIA+ ideology in school system and not to fight back against the LGBTQ community.”

          and these excerpts from OCs own comment and history:

          Teach your children why it is inappropriate to make friends with, keep relationships with or do business with conservatives.

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          Conservatism is the biggest threat to humanity on planet earth. All means to extinguish an infestation are justified.

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          Not everyone is willing to do what’s necessary to cure the disease. I am willing. If that makes me a monster, then I am the monster they themselves created.

          • @Ceedoestrees
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            21 year ago

            I think you lost track of who you’re arguing with. But yeah, you admit people can be subtle about how they express their views and yet don’t understand why that makes conservatives in north america dangerous.

            I paint them with broad strokes because calling yourself a conservative in this times is accepting the broad variety of beliefs that political party supports. People have a choice.

            As a marginalized person who had no choice in how I was born and always felt the affects of conservative policies, to the extreme detriment of my health and well-being, I absolutely understand and support anyone who thinks they should be ostracized.