There is no and should not be a requirement to register to express a right that clearly states it shall not be infringed.
And requiring registration does not infringe, as you are still permitted to own guns.
showe a criminal with bad intentions who’s going to register his firearms he bought out of the back of a van. Especially a publicly searchable registry where home invaders could add that little step to planning out which homes they’re going to invade.
These are strawman arguments.
Stop it.
Nope. Children are needlessly being killed over this stupid shit that should have been dealt with a century ago.
Children are being killed over gun rights? Either you’re full of shit or you’re admitting children are being killed by the state for emotional reactions like yours.
Saying criminals are not going to register their guns is not a strawman, it’s the absolute factual truth which you willingly refuse to accept.
Do you need to register your right to speak in public? That wouldn’t be an infringement on your right to free speech, would it? Do you need to register your right to not speak to avoid self incrimination? No. Do you need to register your right to protection from unlawful search and seizure? Nope.
You register for privileges, not rights. I don’t care if you don’t like it. In fact, the courts don’t care if you don’t like it. Just ask Michelle Grisham what people think of your bullshit.
Yes. The lack of gun control is leading to shootings, accidental discharges, etc, which directly lead to the deaths of children.
Either you’re full of shit or you’re admitting children are being killed by the state for emotional reactions like yours.
The state is not doing that.
Saying criminals are not going to register their guns is not a strawman, it’s the absolute factual truth which you willingly refuse to accept.
I don’t think you understand how a strawman works.
You were arguing against a position I do not hold. You can’t just make up some crap, argue against it, and then pretend that it’s a view I hold.
Do you need to register your right to speak in public?
So there is a fundamental misunderstanding you have here. The right to speak and the right to bear arms are fundamentally different rights. One is the right to an action, the other is a right to own something. One is not inherently dangerous, the other is. So pretending that the protections surrounding these rights can be applied the same is just silly. The right to speak does not carry anywhere near the same danger as a gun.
On top of that, there are other things we have the right to own that are dangerous and therefore require registration, such as cars. We have the right to own cars, but we are still required to register them due to the dangers involved with them. Bicycles don’t require registration, and that’s because they aren’t dangerous, or at least not anywhere near as dangerous.
You register for privileges, not rights. I don’t care if you don’t like it. In fact, the courts don’t care if you don’t like it. Just ask Michelle Grisham what people think of your bullshit.
I really do not care what Girsham/pro-gun death people think.
“The right of a citizen to travel upon the public highways and to transport his property thereon, by horsedrawn carriage, wagon, or automobile, is not a mere privilege which may be permitted or prohibited at will, but a common right which he has under his right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.”
The 2nd is literally the only right that specifically states “shall not be infringed.”
And gun control does not infringe that right anymore than car regulations infringe the right to travel.
Yet here you are wanting it infringed because you’re scared.
I want gun control not because I am scared (I’m not), but because people are dying over this and it is easily preventable. We are basically the only country to have this problem. Almost all of the other developed nations have figured this shit out and don’t regularly have shootings or gun deaths at the scale we do.
And you obviously don’t know who Michelle Grisham is.
People are not dying “over” this. People are dying because they’re in the wrong place at the wrong time. Just like people buried in an avalanche or a hurricane or a car wreck or insert unfortunate circumstance here. You only want to say people are dying over it to add emotion to your plea for infringement. A disarmed populace is easy to control and that’s how you want it. But it ain’t gonna happen. I’d rather die on my feet than live on my knees. Some of you are perfectly comfortable down there.
You only want to say people are dying over it to add emotion to your plea for infringement.
I’m saying it because it is true. There is a very easily quantifiable number of people who have died from firearms, and the number is largely avoidable.
A disarmed populace is easy to control and that’s how you want it.
You’re mistaken. I don’t want the populace disarmed. I want all gun owners to be responsible gun owners, but that isn’t going to happen without regulation. Those who are able to safely own a gun and want to own a gun should own a gun. Nobody else should. Ideally we would have gun regulation that falls somewhere between the Netherlands’ or Finland’s gun law, which have a ~20x lower and ~3x lower death rate than our country.
Of that 50,000, how many were suicide? Should we register rope? How about table saws? Saw that one while I was doing biotrauma cleanup for a certain company with yellow trucks.
43% we’re murders.
Additionally, how many of that 43% were defensive shootings? Either home defense or individual self defense?
Additionally how many of those were negligent discharges?
I’ll go ahead and tell you - 549 we’re “accidental” (read: negligent)
You can’t just throw out an arbitrary number and say government can make people less violent or depressed or more responsible by giving themselves more power. That’s not how the world works. People will find a way to be violent to themselves or others or just plain irresponsible but the actions of a few should absolutely NOT curtail the rights of the many.
Registration leads to confiscation. That’s now an established fact. While we’re comparing our country to others, UK, New Zealand, Australia, Sweden, Norway and Canada have all, in recent times, banned and confiscated registered firearms. Australia and Canada have been particularly egregious about it.
People are not dying “over” it. A far majority of those deaths would have happened regardless given that only 549 were “accidents.”
Suicide and murder will take place regardless of means or method. By trying to give more power to an already overstepping government, you’re throwing stones to topple rocks. Solve problems, don’t replace them.
Simply owning a gun makes suicide more likely. So your comments about rope and table saws don’t really apply.
You can’t just throw out an arbitrary number and say government can make people less violent or depressed or more responsible by giving themselves more power.
And that’s not what I’m saying. Instead of arguing against a boogeyman, how about you address what I’m actually saying.
Registration leads to confiscation.
Good. Some people should not own guns. Only those who are capable of owning a gun safely should own one. Felons, people who are mentally unstable, those with a history of domestic abuse or suicide attempts, and so on are people who are unfit.
Basically every other western country has figured this out except for our clueless ass country. And the death rates reflect that.
People are not dying “over” it.
Yes they are, -50,000 per year as I’ve already established.
A far majority of those deaths would have happened regardless given that only 549 were “accidents.”
That’s simply not true, and accidents are not the only preventable type of gun death.
Suicide and murder will take place regardless of means or method.
As my above link from standford shows, this is not true.
And requiring registration does not infringe, as you are still permitted to own guns.
These are strawman arguments.
Nope. Children are needlessly being killed over this stupid shit that should have been dealt with a century ago.
Children are being killed over gun rights? Either you’re full of shit or you’re admitting children are being killed by the state for emotional reactions like yours.
Saying criminals are not going to register their guns is not a strawman, it’s the absolute factual truth which you willingly refuse to accept.
Do you need to register your right to speak in public? That wouldn’t be an infringement on your right to free speech, would it? Do you need to register your right to not speak to avoid self incrimination? No. Do you need to register your right to protection from unlawful search and seizure? Nope.
You register for privileges, not rights. I don’t care if you don’t like it. In fact, the courts don’t care if you don’t like it. Just ask Michelle Grisham what people think of your bullshit.
Yes. The lack of gun control is leading to shootings, accidental discharges, etc, which directly lead to the deaths of children.
The state is not doing that.
I don’t think you understand how a strawman works.
You were arguing against a position I do not hold. You can’t just make up some crap, argue against it, and then pretend that it’s a view I hold.
So there is a fundamental misunderstanding you have here. The right to speak and the right to bear arms are fundamentally different rights. One is the right to an action, the other is a right to own something. One is not inherently dangerous, the other is. So pretending that the protections surrounding these rights can be applied the same is just silly. The right to speak does not carry anywhere near the same danger as a gun.
On top of that, there are other things we have the right to own that are dangerous and therefore require registration, such as cars. We have the right to own cars, but we are still required to register them due to the dangers involved with them. Bicycles don’t require registration, and that’s because they aren’t dangerous, or at least not anywhere near as dangerous.
I really do not care what Girsham/pro-gun death people think.
Lol driving is a privilege, not a right. All that rambling and you still can’t get it right.
The 2nd is literally the only right that specifically states “shall not be infringed.” Yet here you are wanting it infringed because you’re scared.
And you obviously don’t know who Michelle Grisham is. I’ll end my interaction there. Learn before you speak.
It is in fact a right.
https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/21/21-7237/215263/20220301155927765_20220301-153600-00002217-00002863.pdf
And gun control does not infringe that right anymore than car regulations infringe the right to travel.
I want gun control not because I am scared (I’m not), but because people are dying over this and it is easily preventable. We are basically the only country to have this problem. Almost all of the other developed nations have figured this shit out and don’t regularly have shootings or gun deaths at the scale we do.
https://lemmy.world/comment/3410602
I already had a conversation about her. I am well aware of who she is. Since you didn’t understand what I was saying, allow me to rephrase.
People are not dying “over” this. People are dying because they’re in the wrong place at the wrong time. Just like people buried in an avalanche or a hurricane or a car wreck or insert unfortunate circumstance here. You only want to say people are dying over it to add emotion to your plea for infringement. A disarmed populace is easy to control and that’s how you want it. But it ain’t gonna happen. I’d rather die on my feet than live on my knees. Some of you are perfectly comfortable down there.
~50,000 people died in 2021 alone.
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/04/26/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/
I’m saying it because it is true. There is a very easily quantifiable number of people who have died from firearms, and the number is largely avoidable.
You’re mistaken. I don’t want the populace disarmed. I want all gun owners to be responsible gun owners, but that isn’t going to happen without regulation. Those who are able to safely own a gun and want to own a gun should own a gun. Nobody else should. Ideally we would have gun regulation that falls somewhere between the Netherlands’ or Finland’s gun law, which have a ~20x lower and ~3x lower death rate than our country.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gun-deaths-by-country
Thanks for the ad hominem, you really have me convinced.
Of that 50,000, how many were suicide? Should we register rope? How about table saws? Saw that one while I was doing biotrauma cleanup for a certain company with yellow trucks.
I’ll go ahead and tell you - in 2021 54% we’re suicides. (https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/04/26/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/)
43% we’re murders. Additionally, how many of that 43% were defensive shootings? Either home defense or individual self defense?
Additionally how many of those were negligent discharges?
I’ll go ahead and tell you - 549 we’re “accidental” (read: negligent)
You can’t just throw out an arbitrary number and say government can make people less violent or depressed or more responsible by giving themselves more power. That’s not how the world works. People will find a way to be violent to themselves or others or just plain irresponsible but the actions of a few should absolutely NOT curtail the rights of the many.
Registration leads to confiscation. That’s now an established fact. While we’re comparing our country to others, UK, New Zealand, Australia, Sweden, Norway and Canada have all, in recent times, banned and confiscated registered firearms. Australia and Canada have been particularly egregious about it.
People are not dying “over” it. A far majority of those deaths would have happened regardless given that only 549 were “accidents.”
Suicide and murder will take place regardless of means or method. By trying to give more power to an already overstepping government, you’re throwing stones to topple rocks. Solve problems, don’t replace them.
I’m aware of that, and it doesn’t change anything.
https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2020/06/handgun-ownership-associated-with-much-higher-suicide-risk.html
Simply owning a gun makes suicide more likely. So your comments about rope and table saws don’t really apply.
And that’s not what I’m saying. Instead of arguing against a boogeyman, how about you address what I’m actually saying.
Good. Some people should not own guns. Only those who are capable of owning a gun safely should own one. Felons, people who are mentally unstable, those with a history of domestic abuse or suicide attempts, and so on are people who are unfit.
Basically every other western country has figured this out except for our clueless ass country. And the death rates reflect that.
Yes they are, -50,000 per year as I’ve already established.
That’s simply not true, and accidents are not the only preventable type of gun death.
As my above link from standford shows, this is not true.
The same applies for homicide.
https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2022/04/handguns-homicide-risk.html
The evidence supports the exact opposite of your claims.