but deregulation and anti regulation as a pattern. As a driving force of the right. That came from him. It certainly would not have happened if regulation was considered an important part of capitalism that while it may need to be tweaked sometimes should never be removed and new regulation should follow for new things. The whole way of doing things started under reagan and the attitude to not follow the correct path very much starts there.
That just sounds like you are trying to look for a reason. Do you want to ignore 20 years of politics to steagall repeal or the 20 years since that? Im pretty sure the house has flipped about 4 or 5 times since then… why havent we given banks stricter rules yet even though the house has been a democratic super majority 7 times since reagan? In fact, i just looked it up and the house was a democratic majority the entire time Reagan was president. It was only up until Clinton in 97 that it switched to a republican super majority…
Anyone with even an ounce of knowledge of how congress works and our history would know that its way easier to block legislation than enact it and republicans are known for blocking essentially everything. A majority is not enough if the oppositions only agenda is to block it, which is what they had despite your use of the term super majority which would be the case if they controlled 2/3rds of congress which was not the case. Its part of the weakness of our system that the republicans exploit liberally (I know. ironic use of adjective there.). The republicans have been in the minority even when they have had congressional majorities and when they have had the house but again that is due to anti democratic aspects of our system of government. So im ignoring nothing but you are not really saying anything either with this last comment.
All i meant by what I said was that congress is the one who makes the legislation. People can blame Reagan all day but he was in a democratic house majority that spanned 10 years after he left. It would be akin to republicans blaming Obama for actions taken by todays congress.
reagans terms redefined the rebuplican agenda from the time before him. Starve the beast, the two santas, supply side exconomics, voodoo economics, laffer curve. This all came out of his administration and set the path forward. There has been little deviation since from the republicans. If anything just doubling down on the worst aspects.
Again, you are turning Reagan into a scarecrow. You are taking away responsibility from all the legislation, all the economists surrounding, all the people who voted… you are assuming the democrats absorbed all of his agenda and applied it to their platform especially when they has a super majority.
You are also assuming that we were just as partisan 40 years ago when that is not the case. We did not have hyper partisan politics until ~9/11 with Bush.
Honestly I think your taking it to literally. No one who says it all started with reagan or you can thank reagan is saying the world is a perfect utopia where only reagan is the problem. He is just the face of his administration and his administration is one of the more prominent drivers of what ails us today. But yes it took other bastards. sure. All of your arguments could be said about hitler. I mean there was a whole lot of members of the nazis party besides him, but all the same hitler is the face and the driver.
I would argue that people genuinely do try to demonize regan and make him own all the issues… similarly to how in the future people are probably going to blame trump for any stupid issue we have. Much like how the right blames obama for shit.
Also, that’s a bad comparison. Hitler administration WAS a dictatorship. And anything he said was law. There is a stark difference between how the Reagan administration and all the subsequent administrations did and what hitler did.
but hitler could not have done it by himself and everything that happened had other folks. He was just the main guy. With reagan its the same except more the administration but reagan was the face (baker and meese in particular). And yes they demonize him because as I have said how his administration influenced everything that came after but that does not mean no one else at all was continuing these things. After all hes dead now but his policies live on and that is why you hear about reagan because he started the cluster fuck that has culminated in today and has no indication of stopping.
but deregulation and anti regulation as a pattern. As a driving force of the right. That came from him. It certainly would not have happened if regulation was considered an important part of capitalism that while it may need to be tweaked sometimes should never be removed and new regulation should follow for new things. The whole way of doing things started under reagan and the attitude to not follow the correct path very much starts there.
That just sounds like you are trying to look for a reason. Do you want to ignore 20 years of politics to steagall repeal or the 20 years since that? Im pretty sure the house has flipped about 4 or 5 times since then… why havent we given banks stricter rules yet even though the house has been a democratic super majority 7 times since reagan? In fact, i just looked it up and the house was a democratic majority the entire time Reagan was president. It was only up until Clinton in 97 that it switched to a republican super majority…
Anyone with even an ounce of knowledge of how congress works and our history would know that its way easier to block legislation than enact it and republicans are known for blocking essentially everything. A majority is not enough if the oppositions only agenda is to block it, which is what they had despite your use of the term super majority which would be the case if they controlled 2/3rds of congress which was not the case. Its part of the weakness of our system that the republicans exploit liberally (I know. ironic use of adjective there.). The republicans have been in the minority even when they have had congressional majorities and when they have had the house but again that is due to anti democratic aspects of our system of government. So im ignoring nothing but you are not really saying anything either with this last comment.
All i meant by what I said was that congress is the one who makes the legislation. People can blame Reagan all day but he was in a democratic house majority that spanned 10 years after he left. It would be akin to republicans blaming Obama for actions taken by todays congress.
reagans terms redefined the rebuplican agenda from the time before him. Starve the beast, the two santas, supply side exconomics, voodoo economics, laffer curve. This all came out of his administration and set the path forward. There has been little deviation since from the republicans. If anything just doubling down on the worst aspects.
Again, you are turning Reagan into a scarecrow. You are taking away responsibility from all the legislation, all the economists surrounding, all the people who voted… you are assuming the democrats absorbed all of his agenda and applied it to their platform especially when they has a super majority.
You are also assuming that we were just as partisan 40 years ago when that is not the case. We did not have hyper partisan politics until ~9/11 with Bush.
Honestly I think your taking it to literally. No one who says it all started with reagan or you can thank reagan is saying the world is a perfect utopia where only reagan is the problem. He is just the face of his administration and his administration is one of the more prominent drivers of what ails us today. But yes it took other bastards. sure. All of your arguments could be said about hitler. I mean there was a whole lot of members of the nazis party besides him, but all the same hitler is the face and the driver.
I would argue that people genuinely do try to demonize regan and make him own all the issues… similarly to how in the future people are probably going to blame trump for any stupid issue we have. Much like how the right blames obama for shit.
Also, that’s a bad comparison. Hitler administration WAS a dictatorship. And anything he said was law. There is a stark difference between how the Reagan administration and all the subsequent administrations did and what hitler did.
but hitler could not have done it by himself and everything that happened had other folks. He was just the main guy. With reagan its the same except more the administration but reagan was the face (baker and meese in particular). And yes they demonize him because as I have said how his administration influenced everything that came after but that does not mean no one else at all was continuing these things. After all hes dead now but his policies live on and that is why you hear about reagan because he started the cluster fuck that has culminated in today and has no indication of stopping.