United Nations Secretary-General António Guterres said that countries must phase out the burning of coal, oil, and gas. He added that the current policies would lead to...
You would be right. If the government were to never get involved. “It’ll take decades for the whole country to prepare for nuclear fallout” “It’ll take decades for the country to protect itself from HIV” etc. etc. Every public health crisis needs to the government to get involved and mediate, that’s what civilization has been since the time of the Greeks.
The government’s interest is protecting it’s own citizens. If their has to be loss in profits for oil companies than so be it. Also you’re implying that the first to go off Diesel would be the supply line when obviously not. It would be power grids, the army then consumer cars than the supply chain. Do you think that any one with a functioning brain would try to make the supply lines go green first? You’re just doing a strawman.
Electing new politicians who say they will push for implementation of more sustainable energy and for companies to bear the burden of the full lifecycle of the products they produce (the world’s ICE vehicles won’t just disappear unless someone is made to properly recycle them) is a long term strategy typically only available as an option every 3 or 4 years.
Another strategy is to hound your current politicians to push for these things. Find your representative(s) and start bombarding them with letters outlining how you want them to vote and why. Why wait for the election cycle to come round when the current representatives are already in and deciding things.
Maybe we could start a Lemmy community/KBin magazine etc and start finding like minded individuals who are keen to do the same. We could use it to host a repository of well written letter templates that outline specific issues while not making the people sound like nutbags and a set of guides for different jurisdictions and tiers of government in different countries.
Also car use in general needs to go down, electric or not single or small occupancy vehicles are not sustainable.
We need yo make every effort available to make life less dependent on them.
EVs tend to beat internal combustion cars even when the electricity comes entirely from fossil fuels, since the big power plants tend to be able to convert heat to electricity much more efficiently than a car engine can. But we don’t get all our power from fossil fuels these days – renewables, nuclear, and hydroelectric are all producing a significant portion. Depending on where you are it might be about half fossil fuels on average, but with huge regional variation.
We do need to transition away from fossil fuel power generation, but that’s a thing we can do in parallel to replacing our vehicle fleet.
(We also need to drive a lot less and use smaller vehicles on average, but that’s another topic.)
I think the counter-point is that you owe it to yourself to do everything in your power, or to do everything you find reasonable, to combat climate change anyway - even if things won’t change immediately. Maybe a new car isn’t immediately affordable, but a solar panel to power your electronics most certainly is. Or you could start recycling, or grow a low-water-usage or pollinator-friendly garden. But most importantly, vote for politicians that give a fuck about the environment.
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You would be right. If the government were to never get involved. “It’ll take decades for the whole country to prepare for nuclear fallout” “It’ll take decades for the country to protect itself from HIV” etc. etc. Every public health crisis needs to the government to get involved and mediate, that’s what civilization has been since the time of the Greeks.
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The government’s interest is protecting it’s own citizens. If their has to be loss in profits for oil companies than so be it. Also you’re implying that the first to go off Diesel would be the supply line when obviously not. It would be power grids, the army then consumer cars than the supply chain. Do you think that any one with a functioning brain would try to make the supply lines go green first? You’re just doing a strawman.
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Your trains use diesel? Tf? I’m pretty sure almost all trains these days run on electricity.
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Electing new politicians who say they will push for implementation of more sustainable energy and for companies to bear the burden of the full lifecycle of the products they produce (the world’s ICE vehicles won’t just disappear unless someone is made to properly recycle them) is a long term strategy typically only available as an option every 3 or 4 years.
Another strategy is to hound your current politicians to push for these things. Find your representative(s) and start bombarding them with letters outlining how you want them to vote and why. Why wait for the election cycle to come round when the current representatives are already in and deciding things.
Maybe we could start a Lemmy community/KBin magazine etc and start finding like minded individuals who are keen to do the same. We could use it to host a repository of well written letter templates that outline specific issues while not making the people sound like nutbags and a set of guides for different jurisdictions and tiers of government in different countries.
Also car use in general needs to go down, electric or not single or small occupancy vehicles are not sustainable. We need yo make every effort available to make life less dependent on them.
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EVs tend to beat internal combustion cars even when the electricity comes entirely from fossil fuels, since the big power plants tend to be able to convert heat to electricity much more efficiently than a car engine can. But we don’t get all our power from fossil fuels these days – renewables, nuclear, and hydroelectric are all producing a significant portion. Depending on where you are it might be about half fossil fuels on average, but with huge regional variation.
We do need to transition away from fossil fuel power generation, but that’s a thing we can do in parallel to replacing our vehicle fleet.
(We also need to drive a lot less and use smaller vehicles on average, but that’s another topic.)
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Ahh you’re already wrong on that one. Sorry
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i would if i could.
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I think the counter-point is that you owe it to yourself to do everything in your power, or to do everything you find reasonable, to combat climate change anyway - even if things won’t change immediately. Maybe a new car isn’t immediately affordable, but a solar panel to power your electronics most certainly is. Or you could start recycling, or grow a low-water-usage or pollinator-friendly garden. But most importantly, vote for politicians that give a fuck about the environment.
And we are not going to be saved by electric vehicles either. More trains an bikes, less asphalt. Then, maybe.
Something like 20% of GHG emissions are from concrete, and we have 0 replacement for that when it comes to building apartments.