No man’s sky similarly had a rough launch in terms of empty promises, bugs, lack of meaningful side content but ended up being recovered by another company and has been producing non stop updates, patches, and major updates ever since and has topped the leader board for most played games on the steam deck
I’m not bashing anyone else’s feelings on this topic, I personally just feel like this was way more empty than any of bethesdas other games like fallout 4.
Not to mention all the other games that were pushed off so they could work on their “masterpiece”
The facial rigging and animations are constantly bugged or straight up nightmarish (par for the course, shit happens, I’ll give it a pass)
Not to mention the settlement system which is somehow less than what the settlement system was in fallout 4 and 76.
And if this companion tells me to stop picking up junk one more time I’m putting her in the god damn air lock
I’m not bashing anyone else’s feelings on this topic
Well you say that …
pushed off so they could work on their “masterpiece”
But you have to admit, the sarcastic tone does come across as a little belligerent.
I mean you rushed the main story, and decided the game wasn’t for you, and that’s fair enough. But there’s a huge amount of stuff that no-one is going to be able to come to grips with in 20 hours, and I say based on having ten times that amount and still finding new things. So entitled as you are to give your opinion, I hope you’ll forgive me if offer my own by way of contrast.
Of course I’m cool with your opinion, it’s what makes convos more interesting
To clarify “masterpiece” was in quotes to signify them having used that sort of verbiage and not as a mocking mechanism
Would you care to share some of these findings?
I personally haven’t completed the story yet, as I said that was a friend who had completed it in that timeframe. I’m working the hell out of side quests, I only just got the mission from the Russian dude in the space station for the main story but I’m deep into the crimson pirate faction line missions, amongst other side questions.
My point is that, yes they can pack in all this side content, but the majority of the games functionality is not finished, is broken, is widely disliked, or is just insanely mundane/formulaic
It’s a losing battle constantly putting out “new things” I can concede that, but don’t up the price tag or make such bold claims ya know what I mean? I played every Bethesda game since morrowind right up until the bs with fallout 76 (yes including doom and the like) I just don’t think they’re keeping up and I think they’re greedy.
That’s just how I see it based off these last few releases. (Come on man, you gotta at least admit the rigging and animations are pretty bad for a AAA title)
To clarify “masterpiece” was in quotes to signify them having used that sort of verbiage and not as a mocking mechanism
Clarification accepted.
as I said that was a friend who had completed it in that timeframe.
Didn’t say it to me. All I got was “$70. 20-30 hours. Play NMS instead”. Did sound a little on the mocking side, if I’m entirely honest.
My point is that, yes they can pack in all this side content, but the majority of the games functionality is not finished, is broken, is widely disliked, or is just insanely mundane/formulaic
All of which is subjective, of course. I’ve found very little that is broken or which strikes me as “insanely mundane or formulaic”. As for widely disliked. it’s difficult to evaluate the truth of than when may of those same dislikers were trying to talk the game down before it was even released.
Come back in a year and we’ll pick this up then. People will either being playing it or not, and either way we’ll have our answer. Until then, all you’re doing here is slinging mud.
Come on man, you gotta at least admit the rigging and animations are pretty bad for a AAA title
I honestly don’t believe I do. I guess it’s like HiFi systems - beyond a certain point I’m not sure I can tell the difference. So long as it doesn’t impinge on my enjoyment (and it hasn’t so far), why should I care?
You’re absolutely right on that second bit, my bad.
“Play nms instead” was also genuine, I have hundreds of hours in that game and they deserve attention for how much of a comeback they did, but I understand where you’re coming from.
However, that 3rd point I gotta push back on. Bugs are not subjective, neither is incomplete functionality.
Im gonna pass on the slinging mud comment, I think that was just an attempt to downplay my argument.
Lastly, you mean to tell me you’ve never walked into your ship and the crew mates are all standing on top of their seats glitched into the roof? You’ve never seen one npc or companion doing the stationary ghost walking animation?
If you honestly think the facial expressions are indiscernible from real facial expressions I think we can probably just stop this convo here as you’re very obviously not being honest or truthful with yourself, but maybe I’m wrong.
Thanks for having a civil convo with me btw. I appreciate it more than you probably realize.
Yes, there are bugs. I mean there are going to be bugs in any software project of this size and complexity, but OK - that doesn’t mean the bugs don’t exist. I’ll grant that. And yes, there are what appear to be incomplete systems. The code for fuel economy and environmental hazards appears to have been ripped out at a comparatively late stage, and you can see where they’ve papered over the cracks.
And while no-one is saying either of these are good things, per se, there is a question of magnitude to consider. Forgive the minor paraphrasing, but “not finished, broken or widely disliked” rather suggests that the villagers have assembled with pitchforks and torches and are in the process of storming the castle - and that doesn’t seem to be the case. Certainly I don’t think that the game’s failings are storming-the-castle bad, and if you believe otherwise, then here we have indisputable subjectivity.
As for misplaced actors - have you played a lot of Bethesda games before this one? In Skyrim, it’s not uncommon to see someone asleep, floating on the air, three feet to the side of their bed. Positioning glitches happen, and I guess long time Bethesda players tend to take it in their stride. Granted, if everyone I talk to has their head embedded in the ceiling that would be problematic, but I can honestly say I’ve only seen it once or twice in Starfield. It’s not a game-breaker, at least not at level I’ve seen.
Facial expressions? I’ve played Morrowind. I’m not expecting Uncanny Valley realism here. These are characters in a computer game and all expressions are going to be approximations of real life. Tell me that your favorite game does it better and I’ll probably take your word for it, but I’m still not seeing anything that would incite me to burn the Baron’s castle to the ground.
Thanks for having a civil convo with me btw. I appreciate it more than you probably realize.
I try. Since you gave me a pass on mud slinging, I’ll cut you a break for “you’re very obviously not being honest or truthful with yourself” :)
I see your point on that original verbiage - it was brief so it could be seen as dismissive of the good and sarcastic.
I’m unfortunately very familiar with Bethesda’s flavor of bugs and what’s common. However, after 20 years of making games, I had hope that they wouldn’t run into these anymore. Don’t get me wrong, it’s not another “no npc” launch like f76 had, but it’s still a common bug that feels as old as time at this point lol
Really it boils down to that $70 price tag for me and, if I’m being honest, Mr. Howard’s blame pushing onto the consumers and, most importantly, the fans of his game and their gaming hardware.
If they had released at $60 I probably wouldn’t have batted an eye - like I said I love Bethesda games with a passion. The fallout series is my all time favorite game series above all else - and I play a lot of variety.
I kinda wish they would charge half price for first game acess with the express intent of fixing the game. Maybe that means the game takes an extra year but so be it. I’d rather wait for better quality than poison the well (as in no man sky, if you botch that release and plan on making other games, people tend to ignore that game for a while)
@stevedidWHAT I think comparing Starfield’s launch to No Man’s Sky’s launch is being a little histrionic. Starfield launched with bugs - what A-list game hasn’t in the past 10 years? - but it’s not like the game is unplayable or broken. Yes, it can be annoying at times, but maybe the game just isn’t for you: not every game has to be loved by every gamer.
I suspect a lot of these posts are just people searching for a reason to dump on whatever is the current topic of conversation.
I suspect you’re looking for correlations that aren’t even that accurate/reliable
No man sky wasn’t unplayable either
And it got SHIT on despite it being a small time company (hello games, maybe not exactly indie but definitely younger and less experienced than Bethesda assuredly)
Why is everyone so defensive of powerful giants?
Not to mention the fact that Bethesda (for their second release in a row) has the audacity to charge more for less gameplay. Sure it has promise, but don’t have the balls to charge me even more (I guess we’re all cool with $70 games now) for a game that took at least 6 years (if not more) to make that still drops with crazy and immersion breaking bugs ( I think that’s a fairly consistent feature we all look for in a game across the board)
@stevedidWHAT Not really “defensive of giants”. Just not understanding how people get so worked up over tiny things in something as unimportant as a video game.
Seriously, some of these posts sound like Starfield broke into their house and killed their dog. Seems like everyone could dial it back a solid 30%
I think people are valid in their venting of frustrations.
This isn’t frustration entirely against this game or even just Bethesda. We’re humans, we’re complicated and have loooooots of things that influence our attitudes and behaviors.
The frustration you see is likely part of frustrations that are held with lots of commodities we seemingly pay more and more for and get less and less from.
It’s not just Bethesda, the frustration is much larger than that and to try and downplay that is just ignorant of peoples lives and the bigger picture itself (in my opinion of course)
@stevedidWHAT I get being frustrated, although like you say, seems this is a much bigger problem than- I’m shocked by the way the gaming industry treats its customers and what those customers put up with. Feels more like a junkie/pusher relationship than an entertainment industry.
But honestly, issues with games are very much a rich people problem, akin to getting all worked up over the quality of Starbucks coffee. No one’s playing Starfield on an inexpensive device.
You generalized the frustrations to being only with the game industry.
It’s generalized frustration with being constantly ripped off, so because people are already feeling that, of course they’re going to speak up about specific instances.
And your last point, again, getting ripped off is a problem everyone deals with. Rich or poor. If seeing too many opinions is a problem to you, maybe you should get off the internet. Don’t try to make this someone else’s problem.
If you don’t want to hear everyone’s opinions, you don’t have to, but that doesn’t mean they’re invalid or somehow “not a real problem” because they don’t align with your lifestyle or opinions.
Here’s a brief review
$70
Main story beaten comfortably in 20-30 hours.
Consensus: but no man sky instead
$100
Still playing at NG+3 after 200 hours. Still finding new things daily. Having a whale of a time.
Consensus: No Man’s what now?
No man’s sky similarly had a rough launch in terms of empty promises, bugs, lack of meaningful side content but ended up being recovered by another company and has been producing non stop updates, patches, and major updates ever since and has topped the leader board for most played games on the steam deck
I’m not bashing anyone else’s feelings on this topic, I personally just feel like this was way more empty than any of bethesdas other games like fallout 4.
Not to mention all the other games that were pushed off so they could work on their “masterpiece”
The facial rigging and animations are constantly bugged or straight up nightmarish (par for the course, shit happens, I’ll give it a pass)
Not to mention the settlement system which is somehow less than what the settlement system was in fallout 4 and 76.
And if this companion tells me to stop picking up junk one more time I’m putting her in the god damn air lock
Well you say that …
But you have to admit, the sarcastic tone does come across as a little belligerent.
I mean you rushed the main story, and decided the game wasn’t for you, and that’s fair enough. But there’s a huge amount of stuff that no-one is going to be able to come to grips with in 20 hours, and I say based on having ten times that amount and still finding new things. So entitled as you are to give your opinion, I hope you’ll forgive me if offer my own by way of contrast.
Of course I’m cool with your opinion, it’s what makes convos more interesting
To clarify “masterpiece” was in quotes to signify them having used that sort of verbiage and not as a mocking mechanism
Would you care to share some of these findings?
I personally haven’t completed the story yet, as I said that was a friend who had completed it in that timeframe. I’m working the hell out of side quests, I only just got the mission from the Russian dude in the space station for the main story but I’m deep into the crimson pirate faction line missions, amongst other side questions.
My point is that, yes they can pack in all this side content, but the majority of the games functionality is not finished, is broken, is widely disliked, or is just insanely mundane/formulaic
It’s a losing battle constantly putting out “new things” I can concede that, but don’t up the price tag or make such bold claims ya know what I mean? I played every Bethesda game since morrowind right up until the bs with fallout 76 (yes including doom and the like) I just don’t think they’re keeping up and I think they’re greedy.
That’s just how I see it based off these last few releases. (Come on man, you gotta at least admit the rigging and animations are pretty bad for a AAA title)
Clarification accepted.
Didn’t say it to me. All I got was “$70. 20-30 hours. Play NMS instead”. Did sound a little on the mocking side, if I’m entirely honest.
All of which is subjective, of course. I’ve found very little that is broken or which strikes me as “insanely mundane or formulaic”. As for widely disliked. it’s difficult to evaluate the truth of than when may of those same dislikers were trying to talk the game down before it was even released.
Come back in a year and we’ll pick this up then. People will either being playing it or not, and either way we’ll have our answer. Until then, all you’re doing here is slinging mud.
I honestly don’t believe I do. I guess it’s like HiFi systems - beyond a certain point I’m not sure I can tell the difference. So long as it doesn’t impinge on my enjoyment (and it hasn’t so far), why should I care?
You’re absolutely right on that second bit, my bad.
“Play nms instead” was also genuine, I have hundreds of hours in that game and they deserve attention for how much of a comeback they did, but I understand where you’re coming from.
However, that 3rd point I gotta push back on. Bugs are not subjective, neither is incomplete functionality.
Im gonna pass on the slinging mud comment, I think that was just an attempt to downplay my argument.
Lastly, you mean to tell me you’ve never walked into your ship and the crew mates are all standing on top of their seats glitched into the roof? You’ve never seen one npc or companion doing the stationary ghost walking animation?
If you honestly think the facial expressions are indiscernible from real facial expressions I think we can probably just stop this convo here as you’re very obviously not being honest or truthful with yourself, but maybe I’m wrong.
Thanks for having a civil convo with me btw. I appreciate it more than you probably realize.
Yes, there are bugs. I mean there are going to be bugs in any software project of this size and complexity, but OK - that doesn’t mean the bugs don’t exist. I’ll grant that. And yes, there are what appear to be incomplete systems. The code for fuel economy and environmental hazards appears to have been ripped out at a comparatively late stage, and you can see where they’ve papered over the cracks.
And while no-one is saying either of these are good things, per se, there is a question of magnitude to consider. Forgive the minor paraphrasing, but “not finished, broken or widely disliked” rather suggests that the villagers have assembled with pitchforks and torches and are in the process of storming the castle - and that doesn’t seem to be the case. Certainly I don’t think that the game’s failings are storming-the-castle bad, and if you believe otherwise, then here we have indisputable subjectivity.
As for misplaced actors - have you played a lot of Bethesda games before this one? In Skyrim, it’s not uncommon to see someone asleep, floating on the air, three feet to the side of their bed. Positioning glitches happen, and I guess long time Bethesda players tend to take it in their stride. Granted, if everyone I talk to has their head embedded in the ceiling that would be problematic, but I can honestly say I’ve only seen it once or twice in Starfield. It’s not a game-breaker, at least not at level I’ve seen.
Facial expressions? I’ve played Morrowind. I’m not expecting Uncanny Valley realism here. These are characters in a computer game and all expressions are going to be approximations of real life. Tell me that your favorite game does it better and I’ll probably take your word for it, but I’m still not seeing anything that would incite me to burn the Baron’s castle to the ground.
I try. Since you gave me a pass on mud slinging, I’ll cut you a break for “you’re very obviously not being honest or truthful with yourself” :)
I see your point on that original verbiage - it was brief so it could be seen as dismissive of the good and sarcastic.
I’m unfortunately very familiar with Bethesda’s flavor of bugs and what’s common. However, after 20 years of making games, I had hope that they wouldn’t run into these anymore. Don’t get me wrong, it’s not another “no npc” launch like f76 had, but it’s still a common bug that feels as old as time at this point lol
Really it boils down to that $70 price tag for me and, if I’m being honest, Mr. Howard’s blame pushing onto the consumers and, most importantly, the fans of his game and their gaming hardware.
If they had released at $60 I probably wouldn’t have batted an eye - like I said I love Bethesda games with a passion. The fallout series is my all time favorite game series above all else - and I play a lot of variety.
I kinda wish they would charge half price for first game acess with the express intent of fixing the game. Maybe that means the game takes an extra year but so be it. I’d rather wait for better quality than poison the well (as in no man sky, if you botch that release and plan on making other games, people tend to ignore that game for a while)
@stevedidWHAT I think comparing Starfield’s launch to No Man’s Sky’s launch is being a little histrionic. Starfield launched with bugs - what A-list game hasn’t in the past 10 years? - but it’s not like the game is unplayable or broken. Yes, it can be annoying at times, but maybe the game just isn’t for you: not every game has to be loved by every gamer.
I suspect a lot of these posts are just people searching for a reason to dump on whatever is the current topic of conversation.
I suspect you’re looking for correlations that aren’t even that accurate/reliable
No man sky wasn’t unplayable either
And it got SHIT on despite it being a small time company (hello games, maybe not exactly indie but definitely younger and less experienced than Bethesda assuredly)
Why is everyone so defensive of powerful giants?
Not to mention the fact that Bethesda (for their second release in a row) has the audacity to charge more for less gameplay. Sure it has promise, but don’t have the balls to charge me even more (I guess we’re all cool with $70 games now) for a game that took at least 6 years (if not more) to make that still drops with crazy and immersion breaking bugs ( I think that’s a fairly consistent feature we all look for in a game across the board)
@stevedidWHAT Not really “defensive of giants”. Just not understanding how people get so worked up over tiny things in something as unimportant as a video game.
Seriously, some of these posts sound like Starfield broke into their house and killed their dog. Seems like everyone could dial it back a solid 30%
I think people are valid in their venting of frustrations.
This isn’t frustration entirely against this game or even just Bethesda. We’re humans, we’re complicated and have loooooots of things that influence our attitudes and behaviors.
The frustration you see is likely part of frustrations that are held with lots of commodities we seemingly pay more and more for and get less and less from.
It’s not just Bethesda, the frustration is much larger than that and to try and downplay that is just ignorant of peoples lives and the bigger picture itself (in my opinion of course)
@stevedidWHAT I get being frustrated, although like you say, seems this is a much bigger problem than- I’m shocked by the way the gaming industry treats its customers and what those customers put up with. Feels more like a junkie/pusher relationship than an entertainment industry.
But honestly, issues with games are very much a rich people problem, akin to getting all worked up over the quality of Starbucks coffee. No one’s playing Starfield on an inexpensive device.
You did it again man
You generalized the frustrations to being only with the game industry.
It’s generalized frustration with being constantly ripped off, so because people are already feeling that, of course they’re going to speak up about specific instances.
And your last point, again, getting ripped off is a problem everyone deals with. Rich or poor. If seeing too many opinions is a problem to you, maybe you should get off the internet. Don’t try to make this someone else’s problem.
If you don’t want to hear everyone’s opinions, you don’t have to, but that doesn’t mean they’re invalid or somehow “not a real problem” because they don’t align with your lifestyle or opinions.