• Tb0n3
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    51 year ago

    If we house them do they suddenly become not mentally ill? That’s a huge problem in the homeless community alongside drug addiction. We need to house them in mental institutions and rehab centers.

    • @[email protected]
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      191 year ago

      Not every homeless person is mentally ill. Even those that are weren’t necessarily that way before; being homeless is not great for your mental health. So giving them a place to live would be an unequivocal good for all of them where as what you’re suggesting only really helps a fraction of them.

      Reopen asylums if you want, but they aren’t going to stop being homeless once they finish their treatment. Unless what you really want is just a pseudo prison to lock them all up in so you don’t have to look at them.

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        80% of the chronically homeless have life long mental health issues, and 60% of the chronically homeless have drug addictions.

          • @[email protected]
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            Mental health issues caused them to be homeless. People with severe Bipolar, borderline, or schizoeffective disorders can’t function in society without being heavily medicated, and a choice was made to not take that medication (I don’t blame them. Anitsychotics have super shitty side effects).

            Sure, homelessness might make it worse, but their illness is what led to the homelessness.

        • @[email protected]
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          41 year ago

          What percentage of people with lifelong mental health issues are homeless? What percentage of the housed population has lifelong mental health issues? Should we lock up the ones with houses in asylums too?

              • @[email protected]
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                -31 year ago

                No, the ones I posted show the demographics of the chronically homeless. People who aren’t homeless have nothing to do with the discussion.

                • @[email protected]
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                  21 year ago

                  No the ones you posted are as disingenuous as posting crime stats to imply that black people are inherently violent. Correlation is not causation and you can’t just look at them in a vacuum.

                  Without knowing what the baseline for mental health is how do you even know that 80% is statistically significant deviation from the standard population? I can tell you for certain that around 60% of people I’ve met have lifelong drug problems, homeless or not.

                  • @jackoneill
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                    01 year ago

                    Have you been to a section 8 neighborhood? What you’re suggesting would be even worse

                    Each person needs the help they need…. Some homeless folks just need a break, for sure! I’ve been there myself. Some of them are legit crazy and homeless for a good reason, I’ve lived alongside them and you can’t just give them a home and all is well, they legit need professional help. Putting those folks up in housing alongside the folks that do legit just need a little help will taint the public perception against all of them and screw up a good attempt at solving the issue. We really need a system in place to evaluate these folks and get them the level of help they really need, but that would be socialism and that’s bad so I guess let’s all just keep suffering hahaha

                  • @Cryophilia
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                    -11 year ago

                    how do you even know that 80% is statistically significant deviation from the standard population?

                    What a ridiculous question

                  • @[email protected]
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                    -21 year ago

                    It doesn’t matter what the general population is. We’re discussing the homeless population.

                    Your questions are a strawman.

        • @[email protected]
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          11 year ago

          And a near-0% of them will ever make progress on that without a home. All of that is downstream from having safe and secure housing.

    • @[email protected]
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      91 year ago

      Finland already solved this. A regular ol house upfront and then aid in accessing social services and job placement helps way more than anything else. Here’s an article if you’re interested

      • @Cryophilia
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        -51 year ago

        In Finland if you don’t find housing you die

            • @[email protected]
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              21 year ago

              Every region except the most moderate of them has a season that’ll kill you. Don’t be so reductive.

              • @Cryophilia
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                -11 year ago

                Finland is in that season far more than places with more homeless. You’re being reductive by saying “we should just copy Finland”. I’m introducing you to the idea that it’s more complicated than that.

                • @[email protected]
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                  21 year ago

                  And I didn’t say we should copy Finland. Youre being reductive by saying “the only reason you have to do that there is because it’ll kill em otherwise.” My whole point is that every region has harsh climates that will kill you, the simple fact that anyone doesn’t have a home will drastically decrease their lifespan.

                  More reasons we can’t just copy Finland, we’re huge. We’re not homogeneous. We have a particularly prickly culture towards the homeless. But that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t look at their successes and actually think critically before spouting shit about their region being the sole reason. Guess they never had any homeless before 2007 or 2008, when they started housing first, because they all just died every winter.

                  • @Cryophilia
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                    -11 year ago

                    Yes, I was giving one example among a myriad of reasons why we can’t just copy Finland. Reading comprehension, please.

    • @[email protected]
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      41 year ago

      There was a time that people with mental health problems and substance use issues could still afford a place to live. All that cheap housing seems to have gone away.

    • @[email protected]
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      31 year ago

      Absolutely, some people need in patient medical care or rehab. But not everyone. And those often aren’t permanent things. Usually in patient care is only temporarily needed and a group home is a better and more scalable long term solution.

      But the key is some people. Not everyone needs medical help. For one thing, there’s a huge number of homeless people who aren’t the stereotypical on the streets type, but rather living in shelters, friends’ sofas, or their cars. Some homeless people do just need a little help and way to support themselves or a safety net.

      Some people are probably also using drugs to cope with being homeless. It certainly won’t be the case for every person, but I’m sure some number can absolutely turn things around after they’re no longer homeless (but not before). I mean, things are pretty bleak if you don’t have a safe place to live and sustain yourself. Can you really fault people for not wanting to give up drugs that make that shitty situation slightly less shitty?

    • Dale
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      21 year ago

      Having the a stability of a home does improve mental health and addiction. Also, paying for access to these services along with housing will still be cheaper than for profit prison.

    • @[email protected]
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      11 year ago

      If you house them they have a foundation upon which to build such things as working on their mental illnesses. Or getting over drugs. Or getting a job. Housing is the first step, not the last. People need a private, safe space they call their own FIRST, and the rest at least has a chance to follow.

    • @asdfasdfasdf
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      -31 year ago

      100% agree. This would also filter out the people who are homeless by choice, who IMO don’t deserve free housing.

      • @[email protected]
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        41 year ago

        People that are dedicated to not living in a home aren’t going to seek out programs and aid for housing. This is a thinly veiled excuse to continue dehumanizing homeless people. Housing is a human right and everyone should have access to one. If they don’t want it they don’t have to take it but that’s no reason to exclude everybody else