Brexit has been disruptive, nothing like covid or war though.
It’s destroyed cruel live export businesses. It’s destroyed farmers’ business models of having to do stupid farming otherwise they lose 65% of their income.
I don’t give a shit about the tiny minority of companies that export to the EU.
I care about the impact of agriculture and the marine environment. The common policies are a fucking disaster. Incapable of being reformed.
The UK agriculture policy is already better, and that’s a weak Tory effort. I believe that Labour will implement it more effectively over the next decade.
Here are the economic facts, the UK has recovered faster than Germany or France since covid and brexit. The brexit effect is fuck all. Since the ONS revised the data, that narrative of the worst G7 performer is dead. If you actually understood the economics, you wouldn’t be spouting this bullshit
Do you know any farmers? Brexit has not been good to them and they are watching the deregulations of imports with great fear. They can not compete with the lower standards and much larger scale farming of outside Europe.
If you claim to care about animal welfare, you should be supporting British livestock farming, because in most places, animal welfare is much worse. Meat demand is not going away so you want to serve that demand with high standards.
The deregulation following Brexit has meant we are using pesticides now band in the EU. Just yesterday I was talking to someone who told me in their village, many of the bee hives died straight after a near by farm sprayed their fields. Our environmental records has got worse since Brexit. Sure Labour might up the standards, but when the Conservatives are back in, they will cut them again.
It is now not only harder and more expensive to export to the EU, but also import. And that’s before we acturally implement checks outside.
Please reference your sources when you link in graphs are claim to be referencing experts. Soures matter, for example, if it’s the Daily Mail, it’s almost certainly unreliable. If it’s The Guardian or Independent, it’s probably well researched.
No serious economist think Brexit has gone well. It has been worse for the UK than Covid and Russia’s war. I don’t where you are getting your economics.
I follow economics a bit as a long time listener of Tim Harper, Planet Money and Freakonimics. Read a few books on it. I’m not a expert, but I’m not the average either.
Yes, I work in agtech. There have been no deregulations of imports… Lots of scare stories about beef from Australia, but no one with half a brain thinks they would export beef here when they can get better prices in Asia
Nope. I support cultured meat and other protein sources.
The checks will never be implemented as per the TCA, why would they? We didn’t need checks before
I have provided sources on every link… they are either ons or world bank data dyor
No serious economist think Brexit has gone well. It has been worse for the UK than Covid and Russia’s war. I don’t where you are getting your economics.
Australia, or where ever, will export where export it is profitable to do so. The problem is not just the lower meat standard, but the unfairness on British farmers still at a higher standard and unable to operate at the same scale. We need food security so can’t just let British farmers go to the wall.
I have high hopes of cultured meat, precision fermentation and vertical farms. I like to product most/all food outside of nature like this. Controlling input and outputs and return all that farm land to nature to fight climate change. But we aren’t there yet.
Maybe this a Lemmy thing, but your sources come to me as just an image link. There is no context of the article or paper they are from. To source properly, you should do the page link as well or instead of just the graph you want.
Those import charges are a non tariff barrier on food imports, it makes imports more expensive relative to UK produce. It makes things like controlled environment and regenerative agriculture more feasible. Net good. Lexit benefit
Your inews link is from 2022. The UK did not enter a recession, Germany did btw, so the entire premise is invalid.
You are not listening. The ONS revised the GDP numbers, you are living in the past, the facts have changed, change your mind. Or don’t, your choice.
Yer, that “Lexit” (acturally Tory Brexit) has increased our product costs because some parts are from Germany without an equivalent. Trade barrier wasn’t the Brexit sold to many, though, yes was sold to others. All things to all people.
The links was 2022, and yes, things have been revised since then to be less bad. Still not good.
The reason I said to share links was exactly this. You didn’t share the “GDP growth in recent years” graph. Only the ones of the last few quarters. Really we’d want graphs from 2016 pre-result to current day. But a lazy search didn’t find one. Sure I’ve seen one, but can’t find it, so may as well not exist. Point is it accumulates, so the longer you look, the better picture you get.
I’ve never voted for a Conservative. Remain was not Conservative. It was a stupid gamble by Cameron to keep his party together. Instead it broke the country and the party, which is now full of crazies. On the morning of the result, my kids were watching Zootopia, about diversity and inclusion, and it was a gut punch the racist had won. I never thought the country would do this to itself. Since then Conservatives are literary calling themselves NatCs and endless upping the anti immigration popularist nonsense.
Brexit has been disruptive, nothing like covid or war though.
It’s destroyed cruel live export businesses. It’s destroyed farmers’ business models of having to do stupid farming otherwise they lose 65% of their income.
I don’t give a shit about the tiny minority of companies that export to the EU.
I care about the impact of agriculture and the marine environment. The common policies are a fucking disaster. Incapable of being reformed.
The UK agriculture policy is already better, and that’s a weak Tory effort. I believe that Labour will implement it more effectively over the next decade.
Here are the economic facts, the UK has recovered faster than Germany or France since covid and brexit. The brexit effect is fuck all. Since the ONS revised the data, that narrative of the worst G7 performer is dead. If you actually understood the economics, you wouldn’t be spouting this bullshit
Do you know any farmers? Brexit has not been good to them and they are watching the deregulations of imports with great fear. They can not compete with the lower standards and much larger scale farming of outside Europe.
If you claim to care about animal welfare, you should be supporting British livestock farming, because in most places, animal welfare is much worse. Meat demand is not going away so you want to serve that demand with high standards.
The deregulation following Brexit has meant we are using pesticides now band in the EU. Just yesterday I was talking to someone who told me in their village, many of the bee hives died straight after a near by farm sprayed their fields. Our environmental records has got worse since Brexit. Sure Labour might up the standards, but when the Conservatives are back in, they will cut them again.
It is now not only harder and more expensive to export to the EU, but also import. And that’s before we acturally implement checks outside.
Please reference your sources when you link in graphs are claim to be referencing experts. Soures matter, for example, if it’s the Daily Mail, it’s almost certainly unreliable. If it’s The Guardian or Independent, it’s probably well researched.
No serious economist think Brexit has gone well. It has been worse for the UK than Covid and Russia’s war. I don’t where you are getting your economics.
I follow economics a bit as a long time listener of Tim Harper, Planet Money and Freakonimics. Read a few books on it. I’m not a expert, but I’m not the average either.
Yes, I work in agtech. There have been no deregulations of imports… Lots of scare stories about beef from Australia, but no one with half a brain thinks they would export beef here when they can get better prices in Asia
Nope. I support cultured meat and other protein sources.
The checks will never be implemented as per the TCA, why would they? We didn’t need checks before
I have provided sources on every link… they are either ons or world bank data dyor
😂😂 🤡
Show me some stats that prove your nonsense
Australia, or where ever, will export where export it is profitable to do so. The problem is not just the lower meat standard, but the unfairness on British farmers still at a higher standard and unable to operate at the same scale. We need food security so can’t just let British farmers go to the wall.
I have high hopes of cultured meat, precision fermentation and vertical farms. I like to product most/all food outside of nature like this. Controlling input and outputs and return all that farm land to nature to fight climate change. But we aren’t there yet.
Maybe this a Lemmy thing, but your sources come to me as just an image link. There is no context of the article or paper they are from. To source properly, you should do the page link as well or instead of just the graph you want.
As for my own sources, literally just today’s Brexit import problem news : https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/oct/01/uk-admits-extra-330m-a-year-charges-post-brexit-food-imports
First result of all the factors mentioned: https://inews.co.uk/news/uk-recession-wrong-economy-brexit-pandemic-russia-war-ukraine-1953142
To think Brexit is a success, you can’t be reading / listening to any of the same podcasts or newpapers as me.
Those import charges are a non tariff barrier on food imports, it makes imports more expensive relative to UK produce. It makes things like controlled environment and regenerative agriculture more feasible. Net good. Lexit benefit
Your inews link is from 2022. The UK did not enter a recession, Germany did btw, so the entire premise is invalid.
You are not listening. The ONS revised the GDP numbers, you are living in the past, the facts have changed, change your mind. Or don’t, your choice.
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn02784/
Yer, that “Lexit” (acturally Tory Brexit) has increased our product costs because some parts are from Germany without an equivalent. Trade barrier wasn’t the Brexit sold to many, though, yes was sold to others. All things to all people.
The links was 2022, and yes, things have been revised since then to be less bad. Still not good.
The reason I said to share links was exactly this. You didn’t share the “GDP growth in recent years” graph. Only the ones of the last few quarters. Really we’d want graphs from 2016 pre-result to current day. But a lazy search didn’t find one. Sure I’ve seen one, but can’t find it, so may as well not exist. Point is it accumulates, so the longer you look, the better picture you get.
It’s not just me and us Remoaners saying Brexit is bad. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_effects_of_Brexit
We’re a laughing stock, only it’s not fun when you live here.
Sigh
2nd in 2016, 2nd in 2022.
No change, no effect.
You don’t accept facts.
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.MKTP.CD?locations=GB-DE-FR-IT-ES&start=2016
And you realise you were the one voting with the Tories, as Dave and George were running, funding and backing the remain campaign yeah? Lol
Better look from 2000, so you can see 2008, which is why Brexit and Trump happened. Economic chaos causes political chaos.
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.MKTP.CD?amp%3Bstart=2016&locations=GB-DE-FR-IT-ES&start=2000
You can see it hit the UK worse in 2008. Question is, would the UK have normalized to where it was relative to others if 2016 hadn’t gone as it did.
People have looked at exactly that. https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/brexit/2023/09/john-springford-britain-remain-eu
I’ve never voted for a Conservative. Remain was not Conservative. It was a stupid gamble by Cameron to keep his party together. Instead it broke the country and the party, which is now full of crazies. On the morning of the result, my kids were watching Zootopia, about diversity and inclusion, and it was a gut punch the racist had won. I never thought the country would do this to itself. Since then Conservatives are literary calling themselves NatCs and endless upping the anti immigration popularist nonsense.
Stop quoting Springford, he’s a fantasist. No one can predict shit.
Austerity did lead to it. As did the neoliberalisation and delusions of ever more political union would somehow fix it.
And your chart shows the exact same thing as I’ve been telling you, UK is and was the 2nd largest economy in Europe. No change.