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I have known only exceedingly few to ignore the events you referenced, and most are themselves ignored if not attacked for doing so.
The objection you seem to hold is that the aspiration to assimilate owners and workers as one class is inseparable from the perpetration of atrocities.
I have come to reject such a view, and in my comment tried briefly to encourage representing events with their total historic context.
Respecting the particular events, the Soviet Union was not the only country to conduct mass detention during the Second World War. I am not inclined to defend any in particular, though others may seek their own opinions.
Socialists at large have tended to oppose structures of power, most notably, the one greater than all others, capital. Unfortunately, capital, as all power, defends itself however it must, ultimately by force. Otherwise, it not would not have continued to hold power.
When violence has erupted, it has been because the powerful would not relinquish their power by will to those who have had been harmed by it and turn against it.
In the present, we should try to understand how we may minimize unnecessary conflict.
At the same time, many are dying and suffering under the cruelty of current systems We should not forget the reasons we seek to end them.
My argument was much simplier than that. Mostly that some history shows, that once people are taught to hate a certain class of people, they will commit atrocities (after reaching a position of power) to the said class of people.
Not gonna lie, I’m not exactly the smartest dude, and separation when the market ends and capitalism begins is still blurry. Sorry if it’s not that clear what I’m trying to say.
Socialism is the political movement seeking to transfer control of the economy from billionaires to the public.
As the video explained, billionaires are a problem only with respect to their role in society. We seek to eliminate the role, not the individuals. If they change their role, then they are not a problem.
Markets may occur in a socialist economy. Abolishing markets is preferred by some socialists, but would be feasible only if a viable replacement becomes available.
I have known only exceedingly few to ignore the events you referenced, and most are themselves ignored if not attacked for doing so.
The objection you seem to hold is that the aspiration to assimilate owners and workers as one class is inseparable from the perpetration of atrocities.
I have come to reject such a view, and in my comment tried briefly to encourage representing events with their total historic context.
Respecting the particular events, the Soviet Union was not the only country to conduct mass detention during the Second World War. I am not inclined to defend any in particular, though others may seek their own opinions.
Socialists at large have tended to oppose structures of power, most notably, the one greater than all others, capital. Unfortunately, capital, as all power, defends itself however it must, ultimately by force. Otherwise, it not would not have continued to hold power.
When violence has erupted, it has been because the powerful would not relinquish their power by will to those who have had been harmed by it and turn against it.
In the present, we should try to understand how we may minimize unnecessary conflict.
At the same time, many are dying and suffering under the cruelty of current systems We should not forget the reasons we seek to end them.
My argument was much simplier than that. Mostly that some history shows, that once people are taught to hate a certain class of people, they will commit atrocities (after reaching a position of power) to the said class of people.
Not gonna lie, I’m not exactly the smartest dude, and separation when the market ends and capitalism begins is still blurry. Sorry if it’s not that clear what I’m trying to say.
Socialism is the political movement seeking to transfer control of the economy from billionaires to the public.
As the video explained, billionaires are a problem only with respect to their role in society. We seek to eliminate the role, not the individuals. If they change their role, then they are not a problem.
Markets may occur in a socialist economy. Abolishing markets is preferred by some socialists, but would be feasible only if a viable replacement becomes available.