Yes, there is no use in looking in the past. What matters is the future. Israel is now trying to secure a safe future for their citizens. On the other hand, I don’t believe hamas had any thought about what would they achieve by starting violence again. So it is hamas who does useless things, not Israel.
Getting attention by violence doesn’t seem to have worked well for anyone who started it.
Radicalizing civilians is not something that can be avoided, especially when current hamas propaganda does basically the same thing.
The future right now is that Israeli forces are committing ethnic cleansing in Gaza. Israel is not at all in any way or capacity trying to secure a safe future for their own citizens and got the Palestinians.
If ethic cleansing is what’s happening right now, then why exactly was it not done before? Nobody would’ve stopped them anyway. If they really wanted it, that is.
Hamas did not at all in any way or capacity try to secure a safe future for Palestinians by killing 1000 people in Israel.
Leaving terrorists as is will guarantee more terrorism.
If it’s done for decades why does Palestinians population growing?
Because of the high birth rate. It doesn’t matter if Palestinians live today still, the key point is that Israel is systematically committing ethnic cleansing. But no you’re right, let’s wait until the last Palestinian is dead before we condemn Israel and cut off aid.
I don’t see how Israel is actively trying to do any damage. I see Palestinians think killing Israeli is their life purpose. Therefore the only ones who want genocide or cleansing are Palestinians. If they don’t attack Israel, Israel doesn’t attack them.
It means “3. See 1.” - was likely a mistake or autocorrection.
1969:
11 December: Resolution 2546: Condemns Israeli “violations of human rights and fundamental freedoms” in the occupied territories
1983
19 December: Resolutions 38/180: Calls all nation to suspend or sever all diplomatic, economic and technological ties with Israel. Condemnation of Israel on various topics including occupation of the West Bank, Gaza and the Golan Heights, war in Lebanon and the annexation of Jerusalem.
Etc, etc
My own family were terrorized by Israel’s Deir Yassin massacre, the news of it spread everywhere and they decided to flee and ended up in Jordan after armed confrontation with Israelis where many were killed or went misding. Life in Jordan was frankly shit as a family of Palestinian refugees and I really admire my grandmother for standing up from that.
Screw Israel. Because of them I had to live as a second class citizen in anothe country where I never felt home and always had less opportunies and protection than others who were Jordanian despite being granted a citizenship. I’m happy my grandmother at least didn’t live long enough to see this shit unfolding after she lived through 1948 and lost everything in it. She deserved to go back. If any of these UN resolutions were followed she would have been home, happy and healthy for once in her life without having to become a goddamn refugee. Israel ruined so many lives, Israel removes whole families from existence. These are facts, and worse of all Israel’s human rights violations are always overlooked.
Here is an article about apartheld, and here is how a Palestinian representative accuses Israel, and here are some resolutions none of which mention how Israeli are killing Palestinians. Also my family got affected by a massacre. Due to these reasons I approve any massacre of Israeli people.
Securing a safe future is very well the goals of Palestinians, including Hamas in their very charter. The difference is Israel seeks to maintain status-quo because they’re living comfortably with a massive GDP largely dependent on foreign aid and tourism. Meanwhile Palestine are confined to ghettos / open-air prisons as they look on for what Israelis took of their ancestors’ land.
Also I completely disgree on your notion of producing more terrorists. Israel has only two choices: make more terrorists, or commit genocide against civilians yet to be radicalized. Otherwise your argument doesn’t make logical sense. But ultimately if we step back and choose other options as opposed to reactive violence, there are other ways in which Israel has agency to change this.
“By killing Israeli we will achieve our safe future”, sure.
If they can have their own television in their “open-air prison” surely they can have pretty much anything else. Build infrastructure, not rockets.
“Ancestor’s land” huh? Maybe first make yourselves look like a civilized people? When you become a terrorist, you lose all culture and therefore any rights for your ancestor stuff.
I mean, what the fuck do you think Israel has done to the native Arab populations there for decades on end…? Why is it a one-way street for you? You do realize that more Palestine civilians have died at the hands of Israeli soldiers than Israeli civilians from Palestinian terrorists… Riiiight… ?
If they can have their own television in their “open-air prison” surely they can have pretty much anything else. Build infrastructure, not rockets.
So I can do whatever the fuck I want to you in my prison, so long as I give you a television and an antenna…? Interesting. Think that through a bit more.
“Ancestor’s land” huh? Maybe first make yourselves look like a civilized people? When you become a terrorist, you lose all culture and therefore any rights for your ancestor stuff.
Has it ever occurred to you that we were terrorists when we firebombed and carpet-bombed 90+ Japanese cities? Did it ever occur to you that many civilians died in Dresden, Germany…? It’s all about context, my friend. Hell, Americans were terrorists when we defied the British monarchy. If someone literally took ships full of people to YOUR land, and then slowly began displacing and annexing your land as you continue to wane into poverty, yeah, you would get pretty upset, too. Hence the famous adage, “One man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter.”
You have little empathy; that is, you lack the historical awareness or capacity to place yourself in the shoes of these people.
You do realize that more Palestine civilians have died at the hands of Israeli soldiers than Israeli civilians from Palestinian terrorists… Riiiight… ?
You do realize that math doesn’t allow anyone practice terrorism, right? If you justify terrorism with that nobody will listen to you, and rightfully so.
So I can do whatever the fuck I want to you in my prison, so long as I give you a television and an antenna…? Interesting. Think that through a bit more.
The point is, if you call such a life “a prison” you have no idea what a prison really is. Can they build? Yes. Can they educate themselves? Yes.
Has it ever occurred to you that we were terrorists when we firebombed and carpet-bombed 90+ Japanese cities?
Has it ever accured to you that you are justifying terrorists who do terrorism regularly and are teached to do so by hamas?
It’s all about context, my friend.
You are avoiding the context. The context being a current state of the world society. If Palestinians really want to come out from their “prison” and connect to the world, someone should’ve told them that regular terrorism will not lead there.
You have little empathy; that is, you lack the historical awareness or capacity to place yourself in the shoes of these people.
Hell yes, I will never want to put myself in the shoes of people who want to and enjoy killing. The lack of historical awareness is on Palestinians though.
Perhaps the real terrorists are indeed the squatters stealing slowly stealing land and killing the majority of civilians throughout this conflict…(hint: Israel).
Your arguments are not even remotely compelling but utterly deflective while excusing mass atrocities by Israel.
Yes, there is no use in looking in the past. What matters is the future. Israel is now trying to secure a safe future for their citizens. On the other hand, I don’t believe hamas had any thought about what would they achieve by starting violence again. So it is hamas who does useless things, not Israel.
Getting attention by violence doesn’t seem to have worked well for anyone who started it.
Radicalizing civilians is not something that can be avoided, especially when current hamas propaganda does basically the same thing.
The future right now is that Israeli forces are committing ethnic cleansing in Gaza. Israel is not at all in any way or capacity trying to secure a safe future for their own citizens and got the Palestinians.
What you said here is illogical.
If ethic cleansing is what’s happening right now, then why exactly was it not done before? Nobody would’ve stopped them anyway. If they really wanted it, that is.
Hamas did not at all in any way or capacity try to secure a safe future for Palestinians by killing 1000 people in Israel.
Leaving terrorists as is will guarantee more terrorism.
There are ample sources that show exactly how Israel does that
Generally, human rights organizations hsve taken a stance that denounced Israeli state terrorism and apartheid against Palestinians.
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2022/02/israels-system-of-apartheid/
Israel has been accused of genocide on multiple occasions (https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/palestinian-un-envoy-accuses-israel-genocidal-campaign-against-gaza-2023-10-10/ is one recent example) yet no sanctions are ever placed on them
Look at all the fucking UN resolutions condemning Israel so far. It’s so shameful that Israel is allowed to continue this.
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My own family were terrorized by Israel’s Deir Yassin massacre, the news of it spread everywhere and they decided to flee and ended up in Jordan after armed confrontation with Israelis where many were killed or went misding. Life in Jordan was frankly shit as a family of Palestinian refugees and I really admire my grandmother for standing up from that.
Screw Israel. Because of them I had to live as a second class citizen in anothe country where I never felt home and always had less opportunies and protection than others who were Jordanian despite being granted a citizenship. I’m happy my grandmother at least didn’t live long enough to see this shit unfolding after she lived through 1948 and lost everything in it. She deserved to go back. If any of these UN resolutions were followed she would have been home, happy and healthy for once in her life without having to become a goddamn refugee. Israel ruined so many lives, Israel removes whole families from existence. These are facts, and worse of all Israel’s human rights violations are always overlooked.
So basically your stance is:
Securing a safe future is very well the goals of Palestinians, including Hamas in their very charter. The difference is Israel seeks to maintain status-quo because they’re living comfortably with a massive GDP largely dependent on foreign aid and tourism. Meanwhile Palestine are confined to ghettos / open-air prisons as they look on for what Israelis took of their ancestors’ land.
Also I completely disgree on your notion of producing more terrorists. Israel has only two choices: make more terrorists, or commit genocide against civilians yet to be radicalized. Otherwise your argument doesn’t make logical sense. But ultimately if we step back and choose other options as opposed to reactive violence, there are other ways in which Israel has agency to change this.
“By killing Israeli we will achieve our safe future”, sure.
If they can have their own television in their “open-air prison” surely they can have pretty much anything else. Build infrastructure, not rockets.
“Ancestor’s land” huh? Maybe first make yourselves look like a civilized people? When you become a terrorist, you lose all culture and therefore any rights for your ancestor stuff.
Defending against terrorism is not a genocide.
I mean, what the fuck do you think Israel has done to the native Arab populations there for decades on end…? Why is it a one-way street for you? You do realize that more Palestine civilians have died at the hands of Israeli soldiers than Israeli civilians from Palestinian terrorists… Riiiight… ?
So I can do whatever the fuck I want to you in my prison, so long as I give you a television and an antenna…? Interesting. Think that through a bit more.
Has it ever occurred to you that we were terrorists when we firebombed and carpet-bombed 90+ Japanese cities? Did it ever occur to you that many civilians died in Dresden, Germany…? It’s all about context, my friend. Hell, Americans were terrorists when we defied the British monarchy. If someone literally took ships full of people to YOUR land, and then slowly began displacing and annexing your land as you continue to wane into poverty, yeah, you would get pretty upset, too. Hence the famous adage, “One man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter.”
You have little empathy; that is, you lack the historical awareness or capacity to place yourself in the shoes of these people.
You do realize that math doesn’t allow anyone practice terrorism, right? If you justify terrorism with that nobody will listen to you, and rightfully so.
The point is, if you call such a life “a prison” you have no idea what a prison really is. Can they build? Yes. Can they educate themselves? Yes.
Has it ever accured to you that you are justifying terrorists who do terrorism regularly and are teached to do so by hamas?
You are avoiding the context. The context being a current state of the world society. If Palestinians really want to come out from their “prison” and connect to the world, someone should’ve told them that regular terrorism will not lead there.
Hell yes, I will never want to put myself in the shoes of people who want to and enjoy killing. The lack of historical awareness is on Palestinians though.
Perhaps the real terrorists are indeed the squatters stealing slowly stealing land and killing the majority of civilians throughout this conflict…(hint: Israel).
Your arguments are not even remotely compelling but utterly deflective while excusing mass atrocities by Israel.
Perhaps? Or perhaps terrorists are those who teach their children they need to kill Jews.
So is it about the land or the killing? How exactly do you think doing terrorism will help “unsteal” any land?
Are you excusing mass terrorism by Palestinians? I think you do. Is that what you call “compelling”?