• sab
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    181 year ago

    If Israel found an attack from Hamas at this point as hard to imagine as they claim to, why in the world would we expect civilians to be better informed.

    Some people, obviously mistakenly, believed Hamas to have cooled down a little bit and to be genuinely interested in making the lives of civilians a little bit easier. The terrorist attacks of course illustrated forcefully that this was not the case, but it’s hard to blame civilians for being surprised by this when Mossad apparently had no way of seeing it coming either.

    • @anteaters@feddit.de
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      -131 year ago

      It is not some new development that Hamas is a terrorist group that hides behind the population. It is also not new that they are not about to leave Gaza voluntarily so they will have to be forcefully removed at some point by someone. If you managed to get out of Gaza it is a grave mistake to go back there for a vacation. As long as it is a hideout for terrorists it will be a target of their victims.

      • sab
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        161 year ago

        It’s easy to say this now, not so obvious a week ago.

        Assuming you’re right - why the hell was the IDF so goddamn unprepared?

        • @x86x87@lemmy.one
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          21 year ago

          This has been 75 years in the making. It was obvious a week ago, a year ago and a decade ago.

          My guess is that IDF was not unprepared. They knew - politics took the wheel and they just ignored all the warnings.

        • @anteaters@feddit.de
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          1 year ago

          Why should I know that? I’m not the care taker of Israel. They should not have left Gaza unwatched and allowed terrorists to cross into Israel. And her parents should not have sent a child into a Hamas lead city.

          Hamas showed once again that they are terrorists who want Israel gone and the people of Gaza have to suffer for it because no one cared for removing Hamas or stopping them before they once again attacked Israel.

          • @x86x87@lemmy.one
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            11 year ago

            There are terrorists on both sides. It’s easy for you to preach from your high horse. When was the last time you felt in danger of dying? What about the last time you didn’t have clean water and food? Not being allowed to see your lover ones?

            You fucking disconnected hypocrite.

            • @anteaters@feddit.de
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              11 year ago

              It’s also very easy for you to demand that the people of Israel should just accept getting attacked by Hamas once in a while while everyone pretends it’s alright that Gaza is governed by terrorists who have made it their official goal to genocide the Jews. This conflict can only be solved with cooperation but that is not possible with Hamas.

              You fucking disconnected hypocrite.

              That does not make any sense but you can stuff that in your ass anyways.

              • @x86x87@lemmy.one
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                11 year ago

                How did Hamas get to be in power in Gaza? What about the people of Gaza? You don’t hear anyone getting butthurt when people in Gaza arr routinely killed and starved to death. You don’t hear it in the news.

                Why would people in Gaza want to subject themselves to this death and destruction?

                Pretending that somehow the lives of jewish people are more valuable that the lives of Palestinians is what makes you a hypocrite.

                • @anteaters@feddit.de
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                  01 year ago

                  How did Hamas get to be in power in Gaza? What about the people of Gaza? You don’t hear anyone getting butthurt when people in Gaza arr routinely killed and starved to death. You don’t hear it in the news.

                  Why would people in Gaza want to subject themselves to this death and destruction?

                  Yes how come no one gives a shit about Hamas being in power there, causing nothing but death and misery for everyone in the area? Now that Israel got hit so hard that they decided to end Hamas in the most destructive way people suddenly care for the people living there.

                  Pretending that somehow the lives of jewish people are more valuable that the lives of Palestinians is what makes you a hypocrite.

                  I’m sorry if I made it look like I care more for one faction than the other, I honestly don’t think the lives of the people of Gaza are worth less than those living in Israel. It is a horrible thing that Israel sees no other way to fight against Hamas but to hit Gaza harder and harder. Do you have a proposition on how Israel should react to the terrorist attack?

                  • @x86x87@lemmy.one
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                    11 year ago

                    You need to understand that people in Gaza are desperate. Israel is not going to do the right thing. They have been committing war crimes for 75 years. Hamas is not going to do the right thing.

                    IMHO there need to be an outside peace keeping mission to mitigate this. Anything else is going to end up with a blood bath.

                    We think it’s bad now? Wait until it escalates and the whole region blows up. What will Israel do when gets attacked by Hezbollah? How will Iran and Egypt react to what they see as meddling in the middle east by western powers? Europe is already not playing nice with Israel. US is going to need to soften their stance (and they have started to do already).

                    Israel attacking Gaza and blocking food and water (ie genocide) is as dumb as Hamas attacking Israel in the first place. This is what happens when you put political interest in front of what is good for your own people.

                    I am highly distressed by the fact that people are fucking dying as we speak and everyone seems to have one weird trick without understanding any history and without factoring in the context in tge region.

      • @x86x87@lemmy.one
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        61 year ago

        Lol. You’re new to the conflict in the area?

        People that lose everything get radicalized and even if you manage to remove every single Hamas member from Gaza you’ll be back to the same situation in no time.

        There needs to be an international peace force in the area and both sides need to revisit if this stupid war is worth fighting.

        • @ParsnipWitch@feddit.de
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          -11 year ago

          People that lose everything get radicalized

          If you think that’s a good excuse for violence, why doesn’t the same excuse apply for Israel and why it exists?

        • @anteaters@feddit.de
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          -31 year ago

          I agree. There needs to be an international peace force to dismantle Hamas and enable a peaceful coexistence between Israel and Gaza.

          • @rasmus
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            01 year ago

            They also should dismantle the Israeli state