no, because they quite frankly don’t have much to do with the transition from liberalism to Neoliberalism.
But if you never actually looked into these ideologies and other philosophical frameworks of the time a shitty tankie can convince you they are all inherently tied together, unironically the Pinochet coup support was due to the prevailing idea of realpolitik that Neoliberalism ironically replaced (spheres of influence vs. globalized markets), and the abolishment of the gold standard happened during the Nixon administration and the prevailing economic theory at that time was various forms of NCS.
honestly, you should REALLY start actually reading into the philosophies themselves and not whatever collection of libertarian/tankie sources you get your information from.
The privatization of national industries under Thatcher, and the firing of striking air-traffic controllers under Reagan, both occurred in the Eighties.
Do you associate either event with the transition from the period of embedded liberalism to neoliberalism?
the school of neoliberal ideology only came into inception post WW2, and didn’t catch on until the thatcher and Regan era, and only actually gained much power after the collapse of the USSR, in part because it purported to explain the collapse of the USSR
what’s next, you are going to ask about when the ideology was first devised? I get it you have an aversion to reading, but maybe you should try more of it
Are you able to name or to describe any important individuals, groups, events, policies, or ideas, related to neoliberalism, in any more detail than simply repeating the same sentence?
I’m asking nicely as a mod in this situation to please provide a source for mutual understanding. The very origin of this argument seems to stem from the operative word “promulgated”, which means “to make known to the public; popularize or advocate”. This, to me, means that you’re both on the same side arguing semantics. I’m not picking sides here, I generally agree with your description on the origins of neoliberalism, however I think a source on neoliberalism would go a long way in reaching an understanding.
If you insist someone else is wrong, then you should be able to provide an explanation more useful and more verifiable than some nebulous and meaningless word salad.
You should also be able to give such an explanation without ranting insults, or forming every sentence centered around the word “ironically”, or constantly lamenting of some imagined infiltration by “tankies”.
It is rather alarming that someone who has been so hotheaded, cocky, and brazen, about the subject of neoliberism, would not understand that the gold standard was a central policy under the Bretton Woods system, which codified the core tenants of embedded liberalism, the period preceding neoliberalism.
It is also alarming that someone would not understand how the Pinochet regime was formally based on neoliberal policies and ideals, as expressed by the “Chicago boys”, who were central to the coup being backed by the US.
I even gift wrapped privatization and strike busting, but all you could do was fall back on your shtick about the Soviet Union.
The Cold War and its end obviously shaped all of geopolitics during the relevant periods. Being unable to give any more particular explanation of neoliberalism reveals unequivocally how much you are full of shit.
Bretton woods wasn’t liberalism, in fact its base tenets of government responsibility is fundamentally anti-liberalism/anti-neolib, the abolishment of the gold standard also had nothing to do with neoliberal anything (ironically Neo-Liberals prefer the gold standard back)
the Pinochet regime was not based on neoliberal policies, not everything that is anti-communist post 1945 is neoliberal, Pinochet’s regime was what we would call “fascist”, now as any good fascist the ideology in incoherent but due to strong ties between state and capital they would enact some policy from the neoliberal playbooks while also claiming to be as such, but that’s as credible as the “socialist” dictators in Africa, just that instead of courting the soviets, they were courting the Americans.
as for the “gift wrapped privatization and strike busting” I believe I mentioned Thatcher and Regan, or do you think I use names like the English name eras like the “Victorian period”? no, I specifically mentioned them because they did this stuff.
as a side note, I don’t care much for liberal civility politics, so I will gladly call you out for an inability to actually think about the choice of words, and understand why you may be somewhat intimidated by reading up on the philosophical literature regrading these things Mr.“monogamous fulfilling relationships are a product of neoliberalism”.
It is hilarious how you seem to have actually had a cursory read up on neoliberalism, even if you clearly didn’t understand it completely
You think the policies under Bretton Woods were not liberal.
The Bretton Woods economic philosophy strongly advocated for Keynesian style government interventions in currency and international trade, this puts it strongly at odds with Liberalism, one of who’s central pillars is that the government should not interfere in economics
no, because they quite frankly don’t have much to do with the transition from liberalism to Neoliberalism.
But if you never actually looked into these ideologies and other philosophical frameworks of the time a shitty tankie can convince you they are all inherently tied together, unironically the Pinochet coup support was due to the prevailing idea of realpolitik that Neoliberalism ironically replaced (spheres of influence vs. globalized markets), and the abolishment of the gold standard happened during the Nixon administration and the prevailing economic theory at that time was various forms of NCS.
honestly, you should REALLY start actually reading into the philosophies themselves and not whatever collection of libertarian/tankie sources you get your information from.
We can try another.
The privatization of national industries under Thatcher, and the firing of striking air-traffic controllers under Reagan, both occurred in the Eighties.
Do you associate either event with the transition from the period of embedded liberalism to neoliberalism?
unironically, can you not read?
what’s next, you are going to ask about when the ideology was first devised? I get it you have an aversion to reading, but maybe you should try more of it
Are you able to name or to describe any important individuals, groups, events, policies, or ideas, related to neoliberalism, in any more detail than simply repeating the same sentence?
I’m not your teacher, I have told you often to go read up on this stuff yourself.
also, your own inability to read isn’t cause for me to further lecture you
I’m asking nicely as a mod in this situation to please provide a source for mutual understanding. The very origin of this argument seems to stem from the operative word “promulgated”, which means “to make known to the public; popularize or advocate”. This, to me, means that you’re both on the same side arguing semantics. I’m not picking sides here, I generally agree with your description on the origins of neoliberalism, however I think a source on neoliberalism would go a long way in reaching an understanding.
sure, Anthropologyreview seems to have a decent summary of NeoLiberalism that seems to be good (tho I would still suggest everyone look into some of the economics surrounding the economic philosophy)
If you insist someone else is wrong, then you should be able to provide an explanation more useful and more verifiable than some nebulous and meaningless word salad.
You should also be able to give such an explanation without ranting insults, or forming every sentence centered around the word “ironically”, or constantly lamenting of some imagined infiltration by “tankies”.
It is rather alarming that someone who has been so hotheaded, cocky, and brazen, about the subject of neoliberism, would not understand that the gold standard was a central policy under the Bretton Woods system, which codified the core tenants of embedded liberalism, the period preceding neoliberalism.
It is also alarming that someone would not understand how the Pinochet regime was formally based on neoliberal policies and ideals, as expressed by the “Chicago boys”, who were central to the coup being backed by the US.
I even gift wrapped privatization and strike busting, but all you could do was fall back on your shtick about the Soviet Union.
The Cold War and its end obviously shaped all of geopolitics during the relevant periods. Being unable to give any more particular explanation of neoliberalism reveals unequivocally how much you are full of shit.
Bretton woods wasn’t liberalism, in fact its base tenets of government responsibility is fundamentally anti-liberalism/anti-neolib, the abolishment of the gold standard also had nothing to do with neoliberal anything (ironically Neo-Liberals prefer the gold standard back)
the Pinochet regime was not based on neoliberal policies, not everything that is anti-communist post 1945 is neoliberal, Pinochet’s regime was what we would call “fascist”, now as any good fascist the ideology in incoherent but due to strong ties between state and capital they would enact some policy from the neoliberal playbooks while also claiming to be as such, but that’s as credible as the “socialist” dictators in Africa, just that instead of courting the soviets, they were courting the Americans.
as for the “gift wrapped privatization and strike busting” I believe I mentioned Thatcher and Regan, or do you think I use names like the English name eras like the “Victorian period”? no, I specifically mentioned them because they did this stuff.
as a side note, I don’t care much for liberal civility politics, so I will gladly call you out for an inability to actually think about the choice of words, and understand why you may be somewhat intimidated by reading up on the philosophical literature regrading these things Mr.“monogamous fulfilling relationships are a product of neoliberalism”. It is hilarious how you seem to have actually had a cursory read up on neoliberalism, even if you clearly didn’t understand it completely
You think the policies under Bretton Woods were not liberal.
You are so full of shit.
The only accurate statement I found in all of your comments is that Star Trek depicts a moneyless society. You’re right. It does. Nicely done.
You are a hotheaded buffoon.
The Bretton Woods economic philosophy strongly advocated for Keynesian style government interventions in currency and international trade, this puts it strongly at odds with Liberalism, one of who’s central pillars is that the government should not interfere in economics