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A Detroit synagogue president was found fatally stabbed outside her home Saturday morning.
Samantha Woll, 40, led the congregation of Isaac Agree Downtown Synagogue. The synagogue confirmed Woll’s death Saturday in a statement writing, “We are shocked and saddened to learn of the unexpected death of Samantha Woll, our Board President.”
“May her memory be a blessing,” the statement continued.
Authorities said a 911 call was made to Woll’s home early Saturday, reporting an individual lying on the ground unresponsive. Police discovered multiple stab wounds on Woll’s body and found a trail of blood leading to her house, where they believe the crime occurred.
An investigation is underway. At this time, the motive for the crime remains unknown.
Recently?
https://www.axios.com/2023/10/21/gaza-strip-israel-hamas-war-demographics
Israel’s been wholly occupying Gaza since 2007.
As of the most recent flare up, the blockade has increased to include water, fuel and food, so the occupation is becoming more severe.
A blockade is not an occupation, unless you’re suggesting that the British were actually occupying all of Germany and Austria-Hungary in 1916.
Note that I’m not saying that a blockade is not harsh or oppressive, only that it is not in fact the same thing as an occupation.
Israeli soldiers, since 1967 , have been occupying Palestinian Gaza.
The UN also agrees that Israel is occupying Palestinian land in Gaza.
Forcibly invading a land and residing on its soil may not be interpreted as an occupation by certain people in certain circumstances, but I can’t interpret the forceable invasion and residing on Palestinian soil, and imposition of Israeli laws on Palestinian citizens as anything other than colonization, or illegal occupation.
Mate, do you know where Gaza is?
Israel is occupying the West Bank, absolutely. The IDF is literally everywhere, conducts military operations all the time, and huge chunks of the land are under direct Israeli administration.
None of those things is the case for the Gaza Strip. That border was established in 1949 following negotiations between Israel and Egypt, and afterwards it was functionally a part of Egypt. It was then captured and truly occupied by Israel after the 1967 Six Days War. This lasted until 2005, when the IDF fully withdrew from the Gaza Stop (the boundary of which, I’ll say again, was established in 1949) and forcibly evicted all Jewish settlers. A military blockade was instituted after Hamas won elections in 2006 and started lobbing rockets at Israel, since Hamas’ explicit goal is the violent elimination of all Jews from the entire region.
You can say that the blockade is unjust, collective punishment, destroys any hope for prosperity, and anything else. I’d even agree with you on a lot of that. But you cannot say that it is an occupation, because that is a word that describes a specific situation that simply is not happening in Gaza.
Yes, I know where Gaza is.
According to the UN joint resolution 242, Israel began occupying Gaza in 1967, a military occupation by Israel of Gaza and other Palestinian territories referred to as the “occupied Arab territories”.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli-occupied_territories#:~:text=Between 1967 and 1993%2C the,the Egypt–Israel peace treaty.
Hope that clears it up for you.
There’s a big map if you want to find out where israel-occupied Gaza is(little green bit, bottom left).
From the Wikipedia page you posted:
Israel stopped occupying Gaza in 2005.
Yes, for 2-3 years out of the past 56 years, Israel officially took a break from occupying one region of Palestine.
What do you mean? They haven’t occupied it since 2005. You need to learn better reading comprehension
So did you… You’re implying you only read that sentence of that article.
Try to look for news of Israel occupying Gaza following their reoccupation in 2007.
I can appreciate that position, but let’s dig into the nuance a little bit.
After 2005 Israel had a temporary blockade which ended in 2006. After 2007 and the election of Hamas, a new blockade enforced by Israel and Egypt was implemented to isolate Hamas. Excerpt from Wikipedia:
Israel blockaded the Gaza Strip temporarily in 2005–2006. In 2007, after Hamas seized control of the Gaza Strip, both Israel and Egypt have imposed an indefinite blockade of Gaza that is ongoing to present day, on the grounds that Fatah and Palestinian Authority forces had fled the Strip and were no longer able to provide security on the Palestinian side..
I fully recognize that traditionally a blockade can constitute an act of war, and exerts control over a region or country, so I understand why the UN considered a blockade am ipso facto occupation.
At the same time, where is the outrage against Egypt, and what less invasive measure do you propose Israel and Egypt take to ensure regional security when you have a neighbor whose stated purpose is the violation of UN recognized borders?
This blockade (and the soldiers enforce against) being on Palestinian land is technically an occupation, but I don’t know why that other guy was so obsessed with the technical difference between blockades and occupations in this one, specific area of Palestine, and it was never my stance that the blockade is the only occupation or that Gaza is the only important occupied Palestinian territory.
It looks like you want to discuss specifically the latest 16 years of occupation in this tiny little area.
So, since 2007, and ignoring the other occupied territories and the gazan blockade, IDF soldiers entered into Palestine to occupy the city in an effort to ostensibly stop Hamas. Israel also occupies the territorial waters and airspace of Gaza and has launched airstrikes against Gaza. In 2010, is real attack sex civilian ships in Palestinian territorial waters, in 2012, IDF soldiers in Palestine shot some fisherman on gazan land, and it goes on and on.
So ignoring the blockade, there’s an overwhelming military presence by IDF(the Israeli military) regularly occupying the land, sea and air inside and around Gaza.
Let’s talk about Egypt.
Egypt is not as dependent on or cozied up to the US as israel is, so they don’t have the same interest in attacking or occupying Palestine that israel does.
Right now, while Israel is refusing food, water and fuel to Palestine because Israelis believe Palestinians are animals who need to be punished, Egypt is preparing an aid package.
So if you’re wondering why the outrage against Egypt is less than that against Israel, it’s because Egypt does not display the historied animosity toward or undeniable occupation of Palestine that Israel shows.
Those aren’t Egyptian settlers forcing Palestinians off their land. Those aren’t Egyptian soldiers blowing up hospitals and schools every year. The colonizers are Israeli and the attacks on hospitals and schools are perpetrated by Israeli soldiers.
Your last question is about a less invasive measure to ensure regional security.
Stay out of Palestinian territories. Stop actively settling on Palestinian land. Don’t publicly announce that Palestinian land is actually Israeli land and then broadcast a map that erases Palestine from the map. Definitely stop bombing the schools and hospitals, and shoot less civilians, since I think the Palestinians consider those illegal settlements and civilian bombings and murders on their land pretty invasive (me too).
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There were literally no Israeli soldiers in Gaza prior to these attacks and there have not been for some time - longer than the majority of gazans right now have been alive.
You were straight up incorrect here, the israeli military has been in Gaza for about 60 years.
You can follow the links or literally is any search engine yourself and then read the words that appear as a result of your search to learn more about the historical occupation and raids on Gaza by Israel.
Politically “into” and “physically within” are different things
Israel had 0 troops in gaza.
You’re correct that into and physically within can be different concepts, although with respect to Gaza, the troops that are going into Gaza were and are physically inside gaza.
You are incorrect that Israel had zero troops in Gaza.
Now, yes, they do. As any country would.
They have for decades and they still do.