This blog post by Ploum, who was part of the original XMPP efforts long ago, describes how Google killed one great federated service, which shows why the Fediverse must not give Meta the chance

    • @[email protected]OP
      link
      fedilink
      English
      152 years ago

      At this point it wouldn’t matter, all they need to do is to mess with the protocol and it’d achieve the same thing, Meta and everything in it’s sphere would “work well”, but connecting with true ActivityPub servers would work just glitchy enough to annoy their users and point the fingers towards our side, just like it happened with XMPP

        • @[email protected]OP
          link
          fedilink
          English
          102 years ago

          I wasn’t talking about our users, i was talking about theirs, a direct mirror of what the author described with XMPP

            • @[email protected]OP
              link
              fedilink
              English
              72 years ago

              Correct, it’s worse, you can very much argue that Google had good faith intentions, you cannot even pretend that Facebook does while keeping a straight face

              • casey is remote
                link
                fedilink
                12 years ago

                @jherazob I care more about the effects than intent in this case.

                #Meta’s #Threads / #Barcelona / #Project92 doesn’t have the ability to do anything actually negative to the #Fediverse except potentially overload small instances with a flood of traffic.

                I don’t get the fearmongering; lots of talk about “breaking the #Fediverse” coming from people who aren’t really doing a good job of articulating how exactly a new #Fediverse software–because that’s all this is at the end of the day–will break an entire network of software that already works with each other.

                • @[email protected]
                  link
                  fedilink
                  62 years ago

                  Example: Meta federates with lemmy. Lemmy is small so it gets more feature requests than it can code up. Meta comes in and looks at the most requested feature that’s been put on lemmy’s backlog. Let’s say it’s some mod tool. Maybe even AI mod tool that sorts comments based on sentiment analysis. And they only implement that feature for Meta clients - not for lemmy. Suddenly mods have a choice - use lemmy and face flood of trolls in their communities or move to Meta and be able to properly moderate those troll waves. Some will stay, some will move. Another new cool feature for Meta, some will stay, some will move. Eventually most users will be on Meta client because it has all these useful features. OP’s article describes the rest.

                  • casey is remote
                    link
                    fedilink
                    12 years ago

                    @Hexorg

                    > Lemmy is small so it gets more feature requests than it can code up.

                    Why? From who? Are a lot of #Meta users who are on #Project92 / #Barcelona / #Threads *really* going to be submitting feature requests for a software that they don’t use?

                    > Meta comes in and looks at the most requested feature that’s been put on lemmy’s backlog. Let’s say it’s some mod tool. Maybe even AI mod tool that sorts comments based on sentiment analysis.

                    What are the chances that this is something so significant that people would be willing to switch software over it?

                    > use lemmy and face flood of trolls in their communities

                    Where are these users coming from? This is already a problem on the #Fediverse, and we already know how to deal with it.

                    This scenario you’re pitching seems wildly implausible.

    • Drunemeton
      link
      English
      22 years ago

      Exactly! Let them join…and be ignored.

      But how do we ignore them? Can you block an entire instance?

      • BirdLawyerPerson
        link
        fedilink
        42 years ago

        Yes. A lot of that is going on with instances being blocked en masse for allowing too many spam/bot accounts without any corresponding high quality activity coming from users registered with that instance. It’s very much in flux right now, with instance administrators trying to figure out which metrics to use and what lists to trust, but I imagine a more mature/robust process will be used by most serious instances soon enough.

      • @[email protected]
        link
        fedilink
        English
        42 years ago

        Let them join…and be ignored.

        I see the threat in the sheer developing power of these giants, making all the shiny tools people were wanting, making their service too attractive to be ignored.

      • @[email protected]
        link
        fedilink
        English
        42 years ago

        Your instance can defederate from the instance you want blocked, but that affects every registered user on your instance even if they’re against the action. I just released a user script that lets you do it yourself on the client-side!