• @HappycamperNZ
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      91 year ago

      That would be an acceptable stopgap measure.

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      Jan 26, 2006

      Fatah supporters took to the streets of Ramallah last night to celebrate a victory that was not theirs. The exit polls got it wrong. The faction founded by the late Yasser Arafat had not, in fact, won a narrow victory. Instead, it was roundly defeated by the radical Islamic organization Hamas.

      And by day, it was Hamas supporters who were jamming the streets. Running in their first national electoral outing, Hamas candidates won a huge victory, securing 76 seats to Fatah’s 43 in the Palestinian Legislative Council.

      https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/hamas-wins-palestinian-authority-elections

      • Grant_M
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        What’s the date today? That was over 17 years ago. NOW the Gazan people are prisoners of Hamas. They need to be freed.

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          June 15, 2021

          The poll found that 53% of Palestinians believe Hamas is “most deserving of representing and leading the Palestinian people,” while only 14% prefer Abbas’ secular Fatah party.

          https://apnews.com/article/hamas-middle-east-science-32095d8e1323fc1cad819c34da08fd87

          There’s the latest I could find. I’m open to seeing a later one but I’d be surprised to see a large swing in support in just a few years given the history.

          • Grant_M
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            -21 year ago

            53% is very low from people knowing Hamas will murder them if they oppose them.

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              Let’s plant a flag here and acknowledge that we’ve moved from “that poll is old” to “these polls can’t be trusted”.

              Were Fatah supporters murdered for voting against and then (prematurely) PUBLICLY celebrating Hamas’ loss? I couldn’t find anything with a quick search. Maybe you could link me?

              • Grant_M
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                -41 year ago

                These people ‘vote’ with a gun held to their head. Do you understand how things work under authoritarian rule?

                • capital
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                  Were Fatah supporters murdered for voting against and then (prematurely) PUBLICLY celebrating Hamas’ loss? I couldn’t find anything with a quick search. Maybe you could link me?

        • capital
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          -11 year ago

          This is straight up, unmasked whataboutism. Yes, what you brought up also is bad.

          BUT. My comment was a direct reply to a comment suggesting the people of Palestine don’t support Hamas so I was dispelling that particular fiction.

          • @[email protected]
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            -11 year ago

            This is straight up, unmasked whataboutism.

            Asking why something happened is “whataboutisim”? Cmon dude, try harder

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              Literally, yes.

              Read up: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

              You can’t stay on topic. Why is that? I’ll help, it’s because you don’t want to admit I’m right and you’re grasping at anything rather than let yourself acknowledge it.

              I’ll help some more. This excerpt exactly explains what you did:

              denotes in a pejorative sense a procedure in which a critical question or argument is not answered or discussed, but retorted with a critical counter-question which expresses a counter-accusation

              • @[email protected]
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                -11 year ago

                but retorted with a critical counter-question

                I’m gonna have to ask you to find the question mark in my original response.

    • hh93
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      -11 year ago

      That’s what Israel is trying tbh

      • Grant_M
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        It’s a good thing and the only way for any peace to begin.