This is a really hard one in my opinion. On the one hand, no one should ever have to suffer that and anyone who does it should be removed from their position immediately and prosecuted fully. On the other hand, the ones claiming to be sexually assaulted are hardly the best people themselves, so you have to take their stories with a fair amount of salt.
The obvious solution is security and body cameras everywhere monitored by an independent 3rd party, along with additional protections so that guards and prisoners of different sexes aren’t (or rarely) together, but we all know that’s never gonna happen 😑
You take all 22 women’s stories with a fair amount of salt? How many imprisoned women’s stories equate to one male prison guard’s story? What’s the precise equivalency in your view? 🤮
The male prison guard also confessed…so does @mrbubblesort also not believe him? Unless the guard being a confessed serial assaulter means his confession also needs to be “taken with a grain of salt”? I’m so confused by this guy’s take on this…
I thought it was obvious I was speaking of the overall general problem, not to this case specifically. So the be clear, in the general sense when a report is made, neither side is particularly trustworthy. It’s a criminal’s word vs the member of a corrupt gang, so it’s hard to know who to believe. So ideally we should have a system with checks to ensure this isn’t even a possibility.
Where you are fucking up is assuming someone in jail is less trustworthy than the pigs who put them there and watch over them. This is not the case. I’ve been to jail and the prisoners are the most human thing about it. The system and the guards are what is disgusting and it is them who can not be trusted.
I specifically didn’t say that. On one side we have murderers, rapists, child molesters, liars, and everything else, and on the other we have people convicted for committing murder, rape, child molestation, lying, and everything else. If it’s all one big shit show, why are they put together at all?
This is a really hard one in my opinion. On the one hand, no one should ever have to suffer that and anyone who does it should be removed from their position immediately and prosecuted fully. On the other hand, the ones claiming to be sexually assaulted are hardly the best people themselves, so you have to take their stories with a fair amount of salt.
The obvious solution is security and body cameras everywhere monitored by an independent 3rd party, along with additional protections so that guards and prisoners of different sexes aren’t (or rarely) together, but we all know that’s never gonna happen 😑
You take all 22 women’s stories with a fair amount of salt? How many imprisoned women’s stories equate to one male prison guard’s story? What’s the precise equivalency in your view? 🤮
The male prison guard also confessed…so does @mrbubblesort also not believe him? Unless the guard being a confessed serial assaulter means his confession also needs to be “taken with a grain of salt”? I’m so confused by this guy’s take on this…
His take? “They are criminals in prison, so they must suffer”
And I guess since they are in jail they are untrustworthy liars. Fuck the pigs
Having known a couple of people who became prison guards, I would implicitly trust the prisoners over those people.
I thought it was obvious I was speaking of the overall general problem, not to this case specifically. So the be clear, in the general sense when a report is made, neither side is particularly trustworthy. It’s a criminal’s word vs the member of a corrupt gang, so it’s hard to know who to believe. So ideally we should have a system with checks to ensure this isn’t even a possibility.
Where you are fucking up is assuming someone in jail is less trustworthy than the pigs who put them there and watch over them. This is not the case. I’ve been to jail and the prisoners are the most human thing about it. The system and the guards are what is disgusting and it is them who can not be trusted.
I specifically didn’t say that. On one side we have murderers, rapists, child molesters, liars, and everything else, and on the other we have people convicted for committing murder, rape, child molestation, lying, and everything else. If it’s all one big shit show, why are they put together at all?
Want to reevaluate your opinion?
“No way to fix this” says lemmy user where this happens regularly